So the EPA went after HD about the Super Tuners and HD has agreed to pay $12MM.


What I'm wondering is, why aren't all tuners illegal? Is Dynojet and all other manufacturers of tuners next? Why focus solely on the HD Super Tuners.
I don't recall reading anything about why the focus is on those tuners in particular.

 

 

I think, it boils down to Mfg can't offer 'non-carb' compliant devices.
Aftermarket can usually get around by putting "not for use on street" etc

 

Devices like the Power Vision or FP3 or others arent inherently illegal, you can certainly create EPA friendly tunes with these devices.

I personally think that in order to avoid liability HD will make it very difficult/impossibe to access the ECM on the grounds that it is their intellectual property. (other manufacturers are on a path to do just that, examples are John Deere and GM)

Then you'll be left with ECM replacement products, but I cant imagine that those have a long life either. Because those manufacturers (unless they limit the replacment devices to only EPA compliant boundaries) are not going to base their businesses on selling things that are illegal

 

When is Delphi going to limit access? They sell ECMs to a lot of engine manufacturers and it is basically a string of empty cells and the end OEM loads their parameters into it.

 

Hey moron, perhaps you're just trying to impress everyone here by attempting to be an internet tough guy. But if you have nothing intelligent to contribute, just keep scrolling by and don't leave your BS here. No
one is interested.

 

Well hey Jackass, try using the search function. It's all that's been talked about since the settlement news broke.

https://www.hdforums.com/forum/gener...uper+tuner+epa

https://www.hdforums.com/forum/gener...uper+tuner+epa

https://www.hdforums.com/forum/gener...uper+tuner+epa

https://www.hdforums.com/forum/touri...uper+tuner+epa

 

So has: M8 motor, why don't they offer this, only these colors...
Cut him some slack, some may not want to read dozens of posts in a thread many of which don't even pertain to the topic. Then again, you could have just posted the links in the 1st place

 

Its a computer. Very easy to make it difficult to break in to. But easy or difficult is not really the point. We are moving to an era where it is illegal to do this. Individual people may find ways to get in to modify, (like jailbreaking your phone), but companies will not sell products that are illegal, so eventually none will be offered by commercial vendors who have an incentive to make their products easy, etc.

So those of us who modify our bikes will become like people who jailbreak their phones

 

We are kick a$$ haxx0rs!!