I find the search function useless. Maybe I don't know how to use it but every time I try I get a thousand post that don't really tell me what I want to know. But I probably don't know what I'm doing?

 

I thought it was specifically Harley because they are certifying their bikes are EPA compliant then adding devices to alter that before they even leave the dealer. Yamaha, Honda, etc have all been hit with similar EPA regulations if I remember correctly.

 

No diff. than Volkswagon.

 

Sorry but the question was when? I know it can be blocked FORD has done it for the life of their ECM's but GM does not currently do it or didn't a few years ago. Your post indicates GM does now.

 

How is a Ford ECU locked down? You can get programmers for most of their current product line. As a matter of fact, you can for almost any vehicle that has enough demand for a performance tuner. Some are 50 state legal, and some are not. But the fact they are locked isn't true unless I missed your point.

 

The MoCo caved into the EPA. Even though the EPA has law enforcement authority, the don't have the final say; the courts do. Tuning devices are not illegal and if the MoCo had any *****, they could have won the court case instead of settling and accepting the EPA's punishment. It's the act of modifying the bike to exceed EPA clean air standards that is illegal, not the devices used and, again, a court of law decides the punishment. As far as accessing the ECU, companies are using the DMCA (copyright infringement) as a basis for restricting access to the ECU. Fortunately, the Electronic Frontier Foundation is going to bat for vehicle owners and they are presently litigating these cases.

 

This topic is old news. Will it keep me off a new bike? Yup but not new and not exclusive to harley with the exception of the dealers flagging bikes that have been modified with non EPA equipment but this is what happens when you get hit with a consent decree.

If you want to take a stand. Talk to your elected officials.
https://www.hdforums.com/forum/the-d...h-on-hd-s.html

 

And while you're kinda right the EPA like the FDA they have the right to shut you down while you pick your fight. No production of parts and or bikes. Share holders wont have it. Board would get sued..... etc.

Best to shut up and take it knowing that the aftermarket is already in the new ECM and if you want to live off the grid you can. When the decree expires the dealerships will go back to biz... just no non compliant parts from the moco.

 

There's a line in this. The OEM has an obligation to deliver vehicles that are EPA compliant. The EPA would not stand for an OEM delivering an EPA compliant vehicle to the dealers if the EPA compliant version is not ending up in customers' hands. You need to look at extremes. If an OEM shipped every vehicle as EPA compliant but also shipped all of the performance parts most users wanted as part of the package, well then very few would end up EPA compliant on the road. The EPA expects the OEM to deliver compliant vehicles and that they encourage (I know loaded terminology) the customers keep them that way. By Harley selling a tuner has Harley endorsing such, and as the OEM they should not be doing that, according to the EPA. It is about picking your fight, but Harley probably didn't make squat on their tuners, in the big picture anyway, so it most definitely was not worth the fight. Putting your business on hold while litigation ensues is just stupid from a manufacturers standpoint. Frankly Harley should have known better. As the owner of a diesel truck I've heard the EPA argument for years. Yet the aftermarket still sells everything they did before to anyone with a credit card. So will it continue for motorcycle parts, EPA compliant or otherwise for the foreseeable future. Eventually modifying a vehicle will become either impossible or impracticle, but that won't happen in 2017 or even 2020 or even 2025. So everyone relax, situation hasn't changed, just Harley doesn't sell a Harley tuner. No biggie, many others out there! My understanding is it wasn't a great tool anyway.

 

TTS fully capable of programming a blank ECM.
As far as I know the power vision is not. You know tuners are already online with the M8.
Really only some time will tell how this all shakes out but the writing's on the wall it will get stricter....