Exactly. No direct impact to dealerships. Of course HD corp still maintains limited control of their franchisees. But the dealers were not a party to the epa settlement and still control warranty claims to a large extent. But the bigger the claim, the greater likelihood the mothership will get involved thru a regional dealer rep from MoCo.

 

Uh....no..... direct impact on the dealerships. They have the file a service report that goes on file. The epa can walk into any dealership at any time and demand service records and any part sales data they want. The drive train is inclusive of engine trans primary. They don't have to prove your mod caused the failure if the bike has had anything with the emission tampered with. The feds can lock the doors down on the dealerships if they catch them in violation and charge people with criminal charges.

I worked for a company that was and still is under a consent decree. They brought lawyers in to explain what we could and could not do.

 

The Consent Decree is very interesting reading.

The MoCo MUST DENY any warranty claim for a powertrain component if it can be shown that a non-CARB compliant tuner was used on the bike.

The MoCo MUST REPORT to the EPA the warranty claims denied. This report will, obviously, include the VIN for the illegally modified bikes. I assume the report will also include the name of the person to whom the bike was sold.

So, if you decide to retune your '17, don't even think of taking it to the dealer for warranty work on the powertrain. I think I'd just wait the two years before I upgraded the bike. Seems like the safest route.

 

Some interesting stuff with the '17 and later and the EPA garbage. Talk about a perfect example of the Gov getting too big, and sticking in where they don't belong...

 

As todd-67 pointed out, this is dangerously incorrect.

Dealerships do NOT control warranty claims. Yes, the dealership decides whether or not they're going to submit the claim to the MoCo. But, the warranty claims must be approved by the MoCo, or the dealership will not be paid.

If the dealership submits a powertrain warranty claim, and it turns out that the bike had a non-CARB compliant tuner used on it, the dealership is in violation of the consent decree.

If a dealership tried to use the excuse that they were not part of the consent decree, they'd be on very thin ice indeed.

Very thin.

 

Focus guys.. this is supposed to be a thread about info on new motor... not a warranty debate.

 

From the Decree:
II. APPLICABILITY
3. The obligations of this Consent Decree apply to and are binding upon the United States and upon Defendants and any of their successors, assigns, or other entities or persons otherwise bound by law. The Parties agree that, for purposes of this Consent Decree, Harley-Davidson dealers are independent and are not Defendants’ agents, contractors, or entities controlled by Defendants.

III.
DEFINITIONS:

f. “Defendants” means Harley-Davidson, Inc., and the following entities (each of
which does business as Harley-Davidson Motor Company): Harley-Davidson, Inc.’s subsidiary, Harley-Davidson Motor Company Group, LLC; and Harley-Davidson Motor Company Group, LLC’s subsidiaries, Harley-Davidson Motor Company, Inc. and Harley-Davidson Motor Company Operations, Inc.;


Seems to me the dealers are exempt from the Decree. What the MoCo requires for them to keep their franchise I don't really know.

 

The new motor and how you could void your warranty by messing with it.

 

Even though the "thread hijack" has a long and honorable history on the internet, ted does have a point.

We should bow out and let the conversation continue with dyno testing and specs.

 

EPA is thinking about going after dealerships. 10k fine per offense. Dealer may no longer cover any warranty work to any bike with a tune or exhaust. Think this is bad if Hillary wins our bikes guns and pretty much all good things will go away