Can a mint 99 Electra Classic be worth $8400.00?
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My buddy just called me and ask if I would meet him in the morning to look the bike over again. We are going to try and get the price reduced a little bit but he really wants this bike. I'm really picky and if I was in the market for a really nice used bike I would not hesitate to try and buy this bike. It is a little on the high side but since it's a one owner bike and since we both know the owner he is willing to pay premium price. The problem is the seller doesn't have to sell it and knows how nice of bike he has so I don't think there is much wiggle room on the price. Only reason for selling is because he just picked up a nice 2009 CVO Electra glide and doesn't really need both bikes.
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#16
Some things to consider:
Some 1999 Twin Cams had outer cam bearing failures on the rear cam. It had a ball bearing instead of a roller bearing. A check of the manufacturing date will likely give a semi reliable indication. If it doesn't have a roller bearing on outboard side of the rear cam; it'll need to be replaced with a roller bearing.
Spring loaded cam chain tensioners. At those miles it is at the least time to look. Usually when someone says they or someone else "built" an engine, they mean they slapped a big bore kit on on it. This may have been overlooked.
Are they still in there?
Have the shoes ever been changed?
If so; were they replaced with stock shoes?
At over 30K miles I wouldn't take an "I looked at them and there's plenty left". Spring tensioners aren't bad, they just need the proper shoe material and to be inspected. In fact, I prefer them in my older Harley as they have bearings on both ends of the cams.
All that said, these things could potentially lower the price for me If the seller didn't have the right answers. I'm often a little shocked at what people ask for pre 06 Twin Cams that have what the seller considers to be "added value" items or accessories and has over looked the tensioner issue. I'd change the shoes to Cyco on any TC88 the minute I got it. If I'm buying, the seller's price has to reflect my time and labor taking care of tensioners and removing non stock parts, listing them on CL/throwing them in the trash and sourcing stock ones.
Some 1999 Twin Cams had outer cam bearing failures on the rear cam. It had a ball bearing instead of a roller bearing. A check of the manufacturing date will likely give a semi reliable indication. If it doesn't have a roller bearing on outboard side of the rear cam; it'll need to be replaced with a roller bearing.
Spring loaded cam chain tensioners. At those miles it is at the least time to look. Usually when someone says they or someone else "built" an engine, they mean they slapped a big bore kit on on it. This may have been overlooked.
Are they still in there?
Have the shoes ever been changed?
If so; were they replaced with stock shoes?
At over 30K miles I wouldn't take an "I looked at them and there's plenty left". Spring tensioners aren't bad, they just need the proper shoe material and to be inspected. In fact, I prefer them in my older Harley as they have bearings on both ends of the cams.
All that said, these things could potentially lower the price for me If the seller didn't have the right answers. I'm often a little shocked at what people ask for pre 06 Twin Cams that have what the seller considers to be "added value" items or accessories and has over looked the tensioner issue. I'd change the shoes to Cyco on any TC88 the minute I got it. If I'm buying, the seller's price has to reflect my time and labor taking care of tensioners and removing non stock parts, listing them on CL/throwing them in the trash and sourcing stock ones.
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#18
It depends on condition. I have an '03 FLHTCUI. In the last 2 years I had a lot of maintenance done to my bike. So it is worth more than a similar bike, where the maintenance was neglected.
SE Tensioner/oil pump upgrade. Lower gasket replaced, new engine mount, rebuilt front brake calipers, new grips, new tires, rear brake pads, new gas quick connect, and in tank fuel line, shiftshaft seal, clutch cable, new tires and battery.
Most of this was done at the dealer, or a good Indy. It cost me about $4k. So if it is pristine, it could be worth it.
I wouldn't buy it if it doesn't have a Tensioner upgrade.
Good luck.
SE Tensioner/oil pump upgrade. Lower gasket replaced, new engine mount, rebuilt front brake calipers, new grips, new tires, rear brake pads, new gas quick connect, and in tank fuel line, shiftshaft seal, clutch cable, new tires and battery.
Most of this was done at the dealer, or a good Indy. It cost me about $4k. So if it is pristine, it could be worth it.
I wouldn't buy it if it doesn't have a Tensioner upgrade.
Good luck.
#19
The '99 to '02's were built with a crank run out not to exceed .003" which makes it an ideal candidate for gear drive cams. I installed my gear drives at 81,000 miles and haven't even peeked into that cam chest since, and that's about 75,000 miles ago. Heaven.
My cost (doing it myself,) about $750.
My cost (doing it myself,) about $750.
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