HD enthusiast magazine came today
#42
05-07-2007, 08:48 AM
RE: HD enthusiast magazine came today
Yeah, Choosue is the great savior for all of '07 Owners
. He says that he hasn't complained to the HD about anyone's problems and I believe that. However he has claimed to have spoken to a lawyer about a class action suit for '07 owners that are unhappy. I can't believe that anyone is saying the Choo has done ANYTHING positive for '07 owners. I guess if you call b*tching and whining about a problem he has never experienced doing something positive then......... I don't really consider that doing anything myself but obviously others on this forum do.
. He says that he hasn't complained to the HD about anyone's problems and I believe that. However he has claimed to have spoken to a lawyer about a class action suit for '07 owners that are unhappy. I can't believe that anyone is saying the Choo has done ANYTHING positive for '07 owners. I guess if you call b*tching and whining about a problem he has never experienced doing something positive then......... I don't really consider that doing anything myself but obviously others on this forum do.
#43
05-07-2007, 11:59 AM
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#44
05-07-2007, 12:16 PM
RE: HD enthusiast magazine came today
The "NOISE" or HUM... or 'whirl' that riders hear (mostly from ULTRA RIDERS) is primarily due to the strait-cut 5th gear. Does this mean there is an issue? So people who put in different CAMs which are 'louder' than stock .... does this mean there is an issue. If I put in a big-bore and the engine is louder than original ... is this a problem or issue?
The gearing is different... so what. Lower RPMs.... you hear a little more 'whirl'. Higher RPMs... less and less. and TRUST ME... put over 8k on the engine and you can hardly hear it at all (use something like Severe Gear in the Tranny).
On a side-related note..... ChooChoo does bring up the 'mod' map .... where sitting at idle it can shut down the #2 cylinder.
Anyone have this 'modification' done.... and results from it?
The gearing is different... so what. Lower RPMs.... you hear a little more 'whirl'. Higher RPMs... less and less. and TRUST ME... put over 8k on the engine and you can hardly hear it at all (use something like Severe Gear in the Tranny).
On a side-related note..... ChooChoo does bring up the 'mod' map .... where sitting at idle it can shut down the #2 cylinder.
Anyone have this 'modification' done.... and results from it?
#45
05-07-2007, 12:59 PM
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RE: HD enthusiast magazine came today
ORIGINAL: SMT
Jesus Christ ChooChoo..just sell it and be done with it.[sm=wtf.gif]
ORIGINAL: choochoo
congratulations to all you that don't have a problem or is so minor you can deal with it.
My problem asI said is not so much the bike but the dealers.
MIne was an excellent running bike until something failed in the base configuration. When that particular item gets repaired I will again be a happy camper.
HD controls the purse strings on warranty repairs, so dealers really don't want to spend
a lot of time diagnosing a problem they may not get full reimbursement for.
But when it's in the shop 3 times same complaint, they blame one specific NON-HD part
as the problem, but then go off on another tangent "fix" something else and forget their
original unfounded theory and claim bike is fixed when it's not, then I have a COMPLAINT
called $hi**y service and lack of concern on the dealers part.
Hopefully this tuesday that attitude will be corrected we will see.
congratulations to all you that don't have a problem or is so minor you can deal with it.
My problem asI said is not so much the bike but the dealers.
MIne was an excellent running bike until something failed in the base configuration. When that particular item gets repaired I will again be a happy camper.
HD controls the purse strings on warranty repairs, so dealers really don't want to spend
a lot of time diagnosing a problem they may not get full reimbursement for.
But when it's in the shop 3 times same complaint, they blame one specific NON-HD part
as the problem, but then go off on another tangent "fix" something else and forget their
original unfounded theory and claim bike is fixed when it's not, then I have a COMPLAINT
called $hi**y service and lack of concern on the dealers part.
Hopefully this tuesday that attitude will be corrected we will see.
If so, please act like it and stop using His Name in vain.
If not, please don't use it that way, because He happens to be my Lord and I find your use of His Name offensive.
Maybe you should try this: Carl Jung ChooChoo..just sell it and be done with it. At least that's someone you apparently know.
#46
05-07-2007, 01:23 PM
RE: HD enthusiast magazine came today
I own an 07 FLHT. This is my fourth big twin. No difference in noise or heat issues from any other Ive owned. They all get hot in traffic. Primary sounds like my 93 FXR. It does have more power and the 6 speed is great. I love it, no complaints at all.
#47
05-07-2007, 01:51 PM
RE: HD enthusiast magazine came today
I had the 'mod' map done. But from what service told me,at idle, if the temperature of the rear cylinder gets above a certain number (I can't remember that number right now), the program will shut off every 4th cycle of spark. So it fuels all cycles, firesthe firstthree cycles and on the fourth, it fuels the cylinder, but doesn't fire it.
I can hear a difference in the idle and I do feeldifference in less heat at intersections in heavy traffic. It doesn't seem to have affected anything as far as leaving the line, no hesitation. The serviceman said it lowered the temperature of the rear cylinder by 40 degrees, which I believe it has, at idle.
The 07's still run hotter, my wife, can feel the difference on her legs at cruising speeds.
I can hear a difference in the idle and I do feeldifference in less heat at intersections in heavy traffic. It doesn't seem to have affected anything as far as leaving the line, no hesitation. The serviceman said it lowered the temperature of the rear cylinder by 40 degrees, which I believe it has, at idle.
The 07's still run hotter, my wife, can feel the difference on her legs at cruising speeds.
#48
05-07-2007, 02:11 PM
RE: HD enthusiast magazine came today
thanks for that update Hog Yild. I wasn't aware it was running 3 out of 4 cycles. From the way the magazine indicated .... it 'shut down' at idle if it was over "x" temperature but would resume immediately when starting to throttle.
40degree cooler on the #2 ... is a good thing as it has much less air moving around it.
40degree cooler on the #2 ... is a good thing as it has much less air moving around it.
#49
05-07-2007, 04:05 PM
#50
05-07-2007, 06:07 PM
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RE: HD enthusiast magazine came today
ORIGINAL: Thunderbolts
Whats the difference between a TC88 built to 95ci and a stock TC96? Both are about the same size engine in cubic inches. Should we not be having the same heat issues with both of these motors? After all the 95 ci and stroker 103 ci motors have been around for a number of years. I have not heard anyone having heat issues with these motors.
Whats the difference between a TC88 built to 95ci and a stock TC96? Both are about the same size engine in cubic inches. Should we not be having the same heat issues with both of these motors? After all the 95 ci and stroker 103 ci motors have been around for a number of years. I have not heard anyone having heat issues with these motors.
The stock TC-96 will only perform marginally better than the stock TC-88. Even though the displacement is different the other mods to the engine do not allow a stock TC-96 to equal a TC-88 with a 95 big bore kit.
That is why you have the following.
TC-88 = TC-96
95 Big Bore = 103 Big Bore
103 Stroker = 110 Stroker
Once a person does the Big Bore or Stroker kit to whatever engine installed they will also adjust the air / fuel mixture for maximum performance which tends to eliminate most of the heat issues.
An 06 TC-88 with a 95 BB / SE 203 Cams / SE Aircleaner / Pipes / PCIII can still invoke the heat management system if the ambient air is over 100 degrees and the bike is idleing in traffic. Been there, done that.