SE255 Cam
#11
It is a stump puller. Peak torque us at 3000 RPM. But, peak HP is at 5000 RPM, at least on my motor.
Last edited by FX4; 09-07-2015 at 08:34 PM.
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#13
The SE255's do a terrific job at what they are designed for, "TORQUE".
They made a huge difference in my bike. I ride two up 75% of the time and the SE255's get the lead sled moving in quick order. Making power in the rpm range I mostly ride in.
I think the OP has a cam timing problem, like maybe one or both cams a tooth out of time.
#14
If you changed ONLY the cams, and didn't increase the static compression ratio, the larger cams will certainly degrade power right off idle and early in the rpm range. Assuming they are phased correctly, you are simply feeling the loss of dynamic compression at low speed, then a nice increase in cylinder filling and additional power at high rpms.
Even so, the 255 cams are not huge cams by any means, and work well in stock or mildly "warmed over" engines. Can't say as I've ever heard any complaints from someone who installed them in a basically "stock" engine, so they still do a pretty darned good job of salvaging low end power and extending the power curve (torque) with improved upper mid-range and top end power.
Tuning can really help the situation, my maximizing efficiency in the lower rpm range with timing/fuel, but still no way to get around the basic laws of physics with these things.
I do a LOT more automotive "high performance" work than HD stuff, and see this sort of thing ALL THE TIME in that industry, but I like it, since it pays the bills here getting things sorted out for the folks that are complaining!......Cliff
Even so, the 255 cams are not huge cams by any means, and work well in stock or mildly "warmed over" engines. Can't say as I've ever heard any complaints from someone who installed them in a basically "stock" engine, so they still do a pretty darned good job of salvaging low end power and extending the power curve (torque) with improved upper mid-range and top end power.
Tuning can really help the situation, my maximizing efficiency in the lower rpm range with timing/fuel, but still no way to get around the basic laws of physics with these things.
I do a LOT more automotive "high performance" work than HD stuff, and see this sort of thing ALL THE TIME in that industry, but I like it, since it pays the bills here getting things sorted out for the folks that are complaining!......Cliff
What the OP didn't mention, is at what RPM range he's releasing the clutch, and expecting the motor to be making power at the same time.
I have a stock engine other than the addition of TW-222 cams. I have all the periphery stuff around them on the outside of the engine that one would expect, but I discovered this concept to be true in my own situation. My buddy that has the same bike that I do, but without cams, will out pull me every time right off the line, but after 2700 RPM, I'm gone.
Good post that seems to have been glossed right over; the laws of physics are not relative and cannot be overcome by even a good tune (which I do have, but isn't seen until about 2500-2700 RPM). At 2000 RPM, my cams are utterly anemic due to a lack of compression to drive them, but my buddy's stock cams are just kicking into gear.
#15
Cliff: your are dead nuts on. all the posts mentioning how good the 255 is, and how it's a stump puller are also completely correct (I had a set at one time in my 05 Road King, and loved them), but ASSUMING they were aligned correctly during install, there IS going to be a concomitant drop in" power" in the really low end RPM range with even a slightly more aggressive cam other than stock, if compression isn't also boosted at the same time. They have to build compression up to a certain RPM range before they're making power, correct?
What the OP didn't mention, is at what RPM range he's releasing the clutch, and expecting the motor to be making power at the same time.
I have a stock engine other than the addition of TW-222 cams. I have all the periphery stuff around them on the outside of the engine that one would expect, but I discovered this concept to be true in my own situation. My buddy that has the same bike that I do, but without cams, will out pull me every time right off the line, but after 2700 RPM, I'm gone.
Good post that seems to have been glossed right over; the laws of physics are not relative and cannot be overcome by even a good tune (which I do have, but isn't seen until about 2500-2700 RPM). At 2000 RPM, my cams are utterly anemic due to a lack of compression to drive them, but my buddy's stock cams are just kicking into gear.
What the OP didn't mention, is at what RPM range he's releasing the clutch, and expecting the motor to be making power at the same time.
I have a stock engine other than the addition of TW-222 cams. I have all the periphery stuff around them on the outside of the engine that one would expect, but I discovered this concept to be true in my own situation. My buddy that has the same bike that I do, but without cams, will out pull me every time right off the line, but after 2700 RPM, I'm gone.
Good post that seems to have been glossed right over; the laws of physics are not relative and cannot be overcome by even a good tune (which I do have, but isn't seen until about 2500-2700 RPM). At 2000 RPM, my cams are utterly anemic due to a lack of compression to drive them, but my buddy's stock cams are just kicking into gear.
The se255 and tw222 cams are designed for use in low compression(under 10:0 to 1) engines. If you add compression they become very hard to tune and produce a lot of heat due to excessive cylinder pressure. There are many other choices of cams that would produce better power when adding compression.
Last edited by sporacer; 09-08-2015 at 05:34 AM.
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#17
I had my SE255 cams installed prior to delivery, to get the benefit of warranty on my '12 Limited. Even with the HD download tune, they ran well. A couple years later I changed to a fuelmoto tune, with a couple auto tunes, and they run excellent!
OP- I'm guessing you need a good tune!
#18
The se255 and tw222 cams are designed for use in low compression(under 10:0 to 1) engines. If you add compression they become very hard to tune and produce a lot of heat due to excessive cylinder pressure. There are many other choices of cams that would produce better power when adding compression.
And your true-duals and CFR Mufflers aren't doing any favors .. both have bad reps in the tuning community
You have two of the major components (Cam&Exhaust) that are both limited in their appeal.. the 255 make lots of Low End Torque but sign off early and do little for HP. The TrueDuals only work over a very narrow range and are known to adversely affect Low End Torque .. the will work "acceptably" at a narrow range of higher RPM's and they "Sound Great"
IMO your Cam & Pipe are working against each other.
Swap one or the other or both.
Last edited by motolocopat; 09-08-2015 at 02:36 PM. Reason: added CFR comments
#19
#20
You mentioned you had a super tuner, being the cams are harley, there going to be a map in the software download very close, do a couple of runs in Smart Tune mode and it should get you close. the software is free, you already have the VCI, buy the cables on line. Knowing the importance of the timing marks on the cam sprocket, either someone had to many beers, or didn't know it was required. measure 3 times cut once
Last edited by ericl; 09-09-2015 at 01:50 AM.