Innovation vs Wasted Effort
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11-10-2014 | 12:23 PM
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11-10-2014 | 01:10 PM
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Goodbye Old Paint---hello Sexy
Best change---staying in business? Building them with better motors and tougher trannies? Taking it back from AMF?
So that I could source a super reliable base motorcycle and then make it even better without having to start out with a rebuild?
I couldn't be happier with how dependable a runner my 2005 Harley is. A big change from 1964 when I first started riding an FLH.
In the old days I wouldn't ride directly behind a fellow Harley rider because of all the s*it falling off as we wobbled down the highway.
Wasted effort---can't think of anything. The MoCo may have offered models that I personally don't approve but if they sold those models then they made money---so it's ALL good...
So that I could source a super reliable base motorcycle and then make it even better without having to start out with a rebuild?
I couldn't be happier with how dependable a runner my 2005 Harley is. A big change from 1964 when I first started riding an FLH.
In the old days I wouldn't ride directly behind a fellow Harley rider because of all the s*it falling off as we wobbled down the highway.
Wasted effort---can't think of anything. The MoCo may have offered models that I personally don't approve but if they sold those models then they made money---so it's ALL good...
Last edited by rleedeuce; 11-10-2014 at 01:17 PM.
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11-10-2014 | 01:17 PM
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From: Phoenix '53, '88, '09 Big Twins
Without defining a time period:
1.) Overhead Valves
( this is what killed off Indian. Indian stayed with flatheads which make 60% of the power per cube.)
2.) Right side drum brake ( with braking being left behind and a limiting factor to speeds, HD, rather than advancing to disk brakes tried moving the drum to the right fork leg for 69, 70 and some 71. hoping that shoe design would give an advantage.
Comments:
Belt drive was a reaction to noise emissions and for rider ease of maintanence. Not terrifically an advance for anyone who has other bikes so a can of chain lube.
Makes for very expensive replacement, difficult gearing changes
The kicker went away as was not easily physically compatible with the 5 speed tranny or compatible with the electronic ignition. This is viewed that if there isn;t enough power to crank the motor, then there isn;t enough for spark.
At the time other manufacturers were doing away with the kicker as well-
Mike
1.) Overhead Valves
( this is what killed off Indian. Indian stayed with flatheads which make 60% of the power per cube.)
2.) Right side drum brake ( with braking being left behind and a limiting factor to speeds, HD, rather than advancing to disk brakes tried moving the drum to the right fork leg for 69, 70 and some 71. hoping that shoe design would give an advantage.
Comments:
Belt drive was a reaction to noise emissions and for rider ease of maintanence. Not terrifically an advance for anyone who has other bikes so a can of chain lube.
Makes for very expensive replacement, difficult gearing changes
The kicker went away as was not easily physically compatible with the 5 speed tranny or compatible with the electronic ignition. This is viewed that if there isn;t enough power to crank the motor, then there isn;t enough for spark.
At the time other manufacturers were doing away with the kicker as well-
Mike
Last edited by mkguitar; 11-10-2014 at 02:04 PM.
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11-10-2014 | 02:13 PM
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Without defining a time period:
1.) Overhead Valves
( this is what killed off Indian. Indian stayed with flatheads which make 60% of the power per cube.)
2.) Right side drum brake ( with braking being left behind and a limiting factor to speeds, HD, rather than advancing to disk brakes tried moving the drum to the right fork leg for 69, 70 and some 71. hoping that shoe design would give an advantage.
Comments:
Belt drive was a reaction to noise emissions and for rider ease of maintanence. Not terrifically an advance for anyone who has other bikes so a can of chain lube.
Makes for very expensive replacement, difficult gearing changes
The kicker went away as was not easily physically compatible with the 5 speed tranny or compatible with the electronic ignition. This is viewed that if there isn;t enough power to crank the motor, then there isn;t enough for spark.
At the time other manufacturers were doing away with the kicker as well-
Mike
1.) Overhead Valves
( this is what killed off Indian. Indian stayed with flatheads which make 60% of the power per cube.)
2.) Right side drum brake ( with braking being left behind and a limiting factor to speeds, HD, rather than advancing to disk brakes tried moving the drum to the right fork leg for 69, 70 and some 71. hoping that shoe design would give an advantage.
Comments:
Belt drive was a reaction to noise emissions and for rider ease of maintanence. Not terrifically an advance for anyone who has other bikes so a can of chain lube.
Makes for very expensive replacement, difficult gearing changes
The kicker went away as was not easily physically compatible with the 5 speed tranny or compatible with the electronic ignition. This is viewed that if there isn;t enough power to crank the motor, then there isn;t enough for spark.
At the time other manufacturers were doing away with the kicker as well-
Mike
Likewise, after 39 years of kicking, I understand the need for 5, 6 speed gearboxes but I still miss my kicker.
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11-10-2014 | 05:38 PM
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