Got a pic?

 

For $200.00 dollars, you'd think they would supply some better hose clamps.

 

I run Dan's MSP remote oil filter set-up on my '09 FLTR .It makes oil changes a lot quicker and cleaner.I also think the bike runs a little cooler oil temps as well.

 

Looks good , not or me though I use the hd funnel.
I put a hole in the filter to drain before I remove it to minimize the mess.

 

Thanks for the kind words to those that have had them. For those that don't see a need or a want for this stuff, that's all good as well. I know that not every part or accessory is for every bike or every rider. I'll try and answer some of the questions/concerns in an honest and open manner.

Heat from the pipe radiating into the lines isn't an issue for a couple of reasons. The simplest explanation is that the wind takes the heat backwards, but more importantly is how radiant heat works. The lines radiate significant heat out of them. Heat out means no heat in. If anything, the radiant heat from the pipe might slightly reduce the amount of heat radiating out of the lines but it would be so little as to be immeasurable. Technically speaking, the remote filter kit has to lower the oil temperature due to the added capacity and heat radiating out of the hoses. I make no real claims about it because it's too difficult to quantify. Each bike is going to be different and there are other variables involved like climate, riding habits, etc. When asked, I say "maybe one or two degrees, if that."

Road debris is of no real concern. The filter is tucked in behind the primary and the bottom of the filter on the unit pictured is still above the frame rail. I've had quite a few of these in-service since 2010/2011 and nobody has ever lost a filter to road debris that I've ever heard of. During testing, I bolted one of these units to my personal bike and rolled it completely over on its side. The filter never touches the ground due to crash bars, driver footboard, etc. I do have one guy out there that had problems with this kit. More on that at the bottom, just for the sake of full disclosure. Edit: This is getting long so I'll add that in a separate post.

Residual oil in the hoses. The few ounces of oil left in the hoses is less than what's laying in the bottom of the crankcase and less than what's left in any oil cooler at oil change time. The hoses can be popped off to drain but it really isn't worth the time, imho. Those that I know who have done it only did it once or twice before coming to the same conclusion.

Rubber hoses vs stainless. Hard lines aren't viable as the bends would be too tricky and the expense would go through the roof. There would also still need to be rubber at the engine end to absorb the vibration of the rubber-mounted engine. Braided stainless is also expensive and just not a good choice, unless it's covered in a clear sheathing. The braid is extremely hard and can act as a 'saw' when vibrating against other parts, even in microscopic increments. Over the years I've seen some ugly damage done by braided hose when used where it really shouldn't have been used. The rubber hoses on my bike have been in place for roughly 5 years and somewhere between 60,000 and 80,000 miles (mine was of course the first one). They tuck up between the frame rail and the oil pan out of harms way.

Clamps. The clamps I use are designed to be used on fuel injection hose. They're designed to work with really high pressures and they provide equal clamping force around the entire circumference of the hose without 'digging in' to the rubber. They're actually quite expensive as far as hose clamps go. There are definitely prettier clamps to be had, but I use these because I believe them to be the very best for the application. It has been suggested that I offer the 'dress up covers' for hose clamps but I just can't stock too many parts from outside vendors. I can't buy those covers any better than the customer can so if he wants them it's just better for all involved for him to source the covers himself.

I think that's it. If anyone ever has any questions or concerns, I'm always available. i'll always answer honestly and to the best of my ability as it would do me no good to ever try and steer anyone wrong. I'm also always up for suggestions. If there's a way to make improvements that I haven't thought of, I'm certainly game to look into them. I'll do another post about the guy with the problems.

 

Thanks Dan!
I got one on order with you.
Nice work.

 

The guy with the problems.


There's a guy out there who has had the kit pictured in the original post since 2011 or thereabouts. At first, I didn't know who the guy was. He bought the kit before we even had the website up and all records were under my old email. I couldn't even find record of his purchase which got us off on the wrong foot right off the bat. He contacted me and the first thing he said was "I didn't crash the bike but now the oil filter is hitting the primary and it wore a hole in the filter. I was 300 miles out and I had to put a quart of oil in it every 80 miles just to get home." I found that odd, but told him that I'd send him a new bracket and pay for his oil and filter just because it really is my goal to make my customers' lives easier with this stuff. So he sends me a receipt with all kinds of stuff on it and says I owe him for 6 quarts of Redline and a K&N filter. The math didn't add up for me but I felt bad that he had trouble and really wanted to make it right.

I sent the guy a new bracket and that's when it really started to go South. Unfortunately (and totally my fault) I sent him the earlier version of the bracket that fits up to '06 and his bike is an '08. The current version fits them all. I'm not even sure how I even ended up with the earlier version here but that's immaterial. He sent pics back showing that it didn't fit properly and in those pics it looks to myself and several others like his entire driveline is slid way back in the frame due to bad motor mounts. I know this is possible because my bike has eaten more than its share of mounts due to me riding it really hard. So I emailed back and told him "I think your motor mounts are in bad shape. Please check it out. I'll still send the proper bracket as soon as they're cut."

His reply was along the lines of "I don't have to check. My mounts are fine. it just bent. I want this, this and this." So again, I told the guy "I'll send you the new bracket and pay for your oil and filter either way but let's try and figure out what happened here." Please keep in mind that this is the one and only guy that has ever had this problem. His reply was again along the lines of "Nothing happened. It just bent. I want this, this and this."

My next email said "It was fine for 3 years and then something changed. What changed? We need to figure this out. If I send you another bracket, whatever caused the first one to bend will cause the new one to bend as well. That doesn't do either one of us any good." His reply? "Nothing changed. It just bent. I want a new bracket and to be reimbursed for 4 quarts of oil and a filter." So now it's 4 quarts instead of 6. The math works better but I would have paid him for 6.

So in my next email I offered him 2 options. I would send him a new bracket and pay for his oil and filter as soon as I received the 2 brackets that he has now and a statement from him acknowledging that from there on, he's on his own. Or... he can send back everything and I would refund every penny he ever spent with me, including the return shipping, and pay for the oil and filter. His reply? "I'm not sending anything back until I get money in my PayPal and a new bracket."

My last email to him said he'd get a full refund when I got everything back and that if he chooses not to return the parts our business is concluded. I don't know how I could even try to be any more fair with this guy. It's quite clear from his emails that he doesn't understand how the rubber mounts work and how they locate the drivieline within the frame. There's no crime in that. Heck, there's lots of stuff that I don't know. My only problem is that he absolutely refuses to entertain the notion or any other.

 

No, thank YOU. I was finally able to pick up the brackets last night at 9:30. They still have to be bent, welded and painted. I'll work on that tonight and hope to get everything out tomorrow. I'll update you as soon as it ships. I know you're not in a hurry, but still... I'll feel a lot better when it ships.

 

Jim,

Parts went out today. This latest update to the brackets for '09 and up Touring bikes really worked out nicely. Hopefully you'll have it by Friday, Saturday at the latest. I know you had mentioned installing it over the winter but it really does install in about a half hour with only hand tools. You might want to consider installing it at your next oil change.

Thanks Again,
Dan

 

Thanks Dan...yup I see the tracking alerts now. Actually I will put her on probably this or next weekend. Much appreciated Dan. I'll send ya a photo.