Originally Posted by GeorgiaGirl

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Originally Posted by nilro

While I agree with you (as I usually do), you missed something. While few folks figure stuff out on their own, most everyone does so by being taught or observing examples.

So, somewhere in the past, the number of examples began to change to what we see now, which make everyone think that is the way it is supposed to be. Those who live by the "old ways" as you call them seem by the new guy to be unwilling to share that experience (your fault) or seem unapproachable (not your fault).

The old way is basically dead. Unfortunately, I learned that rather quickly when it became difficult to find anyone of the old school. I did however find those who subscribe to the old way, but I had to take it upon myself to search that out.

I never can remember who the dude is that has "The pussification of the American biker is upon us" in their sig line, but every time I see that, it reminds me that he is right.

Not to get into that stupid "what's a biker" argument, but the quote is true, with one exception. It's not upon us anymore. It showed up a few years ago.

Originally Posted by nilro

Once again I agree with you. Where you might have missed my original point is most newbies are basically afraid to learn and would rather sew a hog patch on their back.

I think it was missed years ago as you noted what it was all about. I am here to tell you that it hasn't died but as all things good in the past it has dwindled down to a much smaller population.

Btw. I've been drinking.

Originally Posted by TwiZted Biker

Very clear moments of insight have brought on by that , .

I caught you , what I've seen is most don't want or can't handle a learning curve . They want it all now , they bought the bike now where's rest of it dammit ? Lot of feathers been ruffled over that little issue .

Originally Posted by nilro

True. I think it's the billy badass package that one assumes they get with a Harley davidson.

I don't frequent dealerships but I have noticed that the clothes and accessories float toward a badass in a package deal. You can even finance your new black leather jacket and stuff into the purchase of the bike.

Then they show up at dumb things like bike night or poker runs and wonder why they are not accepted. So instead of doing some soul searching they jump on a forum or bitch to their buddies.

I liken it to the navy seals. I have a friend of mine who was a seal and he has told me that there is a certain way about seals and they almost know one another without a formal means of recognition. I feel it is the same way with ( oh no I'm gonna use the word ) bikers. Those who know, know. Those who don't wish.

It is what it is and I have accepted that. What you cannot control, you shouldn't fret because there isn't **** that you can do about it.

Originally Posted by skidder

I work at a High School and to the staff and students I,m a biker cause I have a Harley. Little do they know it takes more than a bike.

Originally Posted by TwiZted Biker

Your a better man than I working around high school age catholic girls in uniform , one redhead and I would be in deep doodoo .