Iron Pigs Office sues Seattle Police.
#21
05-16-2010, 06:40 PM
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You're missing the point entirely. While the HA had no right to assault him, if he hadn't been been out and about embarrassing himself, his agency, and the LE profession in general, by playing gang member, then he most likely not have had any trouble with the real gang member.
Also, peer pressure is often more effective than official rules. If other officers would apply a little peer pressure to these idiots who disgrace the profession then maybe we would have these Law Enforcement Motorcycle "Clubs." Again, imagine how most officers would react to a LE Crip, LE Sureno, or LE Hammerskin.
Also, peer pressure is often more effective than official rules. If other officers would apply a little peer pressure to these idiots who disgrace the profession then maybe we would have these Law Enforcement Motorcycle "Clubs." Again, imagine how most officers would react to a LE Crip, LE Sureno, or LE Hammerskin.
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05-16-2010, 06:46 PM
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I think this subject was previously pretty much beat to chit on this forum. Give it a rest.
Law enforcement officers can, do, and often must carry firearms in bars. And they should.
Law enforcement officers can, do, and often must carry firearms in bars. And they should.
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05-16-2010, 06:48 PM
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The Seattle cop should shut up and color. While his shooting was legally justified, it all could most likely have been avoided if he had simply not gone around emulating a motorcycle gang member. You can be a cop or a gang member, not both. He, and those like him, are an embarrassment to the LE profession. The cops I know all can't stand those idiots in their "cop gangs," and feel they are a huge disgrace.
I have no idea why cops tolerate other cops who run around in a Law Enforcement Motorcycle "Club." Would they tolerate cops wearing blue from head to toe and calling themselves Law Enforcement Crips? Would they tolerate cops wearing SUR 13 tattoos and calling themselves Law Enforcement Surenos? Would they tolerate cops wearing "laces and braces" and calling themselves Law Enforcement Hammerskins? I think not, so why tolerate cops that go out of there way to look and sometimes act like an outlaw motorcycle gang?
I have no idea why cops tolerate other cops who run around in a Law Enforcement Motorcycle "Club." Would they tolerate cops wearing blue from head to toe and calling themselves Law Enforcement Crips? Would they tolerate cops wearing SUR 13 tattoos and calling themselves Law Enforcement Surenos? Would they tolerate cops wearing "laces and braces" and calling themselves Law Enforcement Hammerskins? I think not, so why tolerate cops that go out of there way to look and sometimes act like an outlaw motorcycle gang?
You go to Sturgis more than once (I would recommend HOG rally only for you though since Sturgis might be a bit scary), and you know where Red 'n White go and you know where groups affiliated with the Bandidos go. I do not necessarily think it is prudent or wise to put yourself in harm's way while off duty (except for the defense of me and mine). But there is such a thing as self defense even if you are a police officer (you do not have to take the first bullet).
#24
05-16-2010, 07:09 PM
You're missing the point entirely. While the HA had no right to assault him, if he hadn't been been out and about embarrassing himself, his agency, and the LE profession in general, by playing gang member, then he most likely not have had any trouble with the real gang member.
Also, peer pressure is often more effective than official rules. If other officers would apply a little peer pressure to these idiots who disgrace the profession then maybe we would have these Law Enforcement Motorcycle "Clubs." Again, imagine how most officers would react to a LE Crip, LE Sureno, or LE Hammerskin.
Also, peer pressure is often more effective than official rules. If other officers would apply a little peer pressure to these idiots who disgrace the profession then maybe we would have these Law Enforcement Motorcycle "Clubs." Again, imagine how most officers would react to a LE Crip, LE Sureno, or LE Hammerskin.
There are a lot of Clubs made up of war vets, fire fighters, medics, Christians, and various other professions that wear the same type of vest and colors as the LEO clubs.
Are they in the same group as the LEOs or do you hold them to a different standard? Just Asking for clarification.
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05-16-2010, 07:34 PM
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why couldn't the LEO in question perhaps have observed regular protocols? there are ways of doing things in the 3 piece patch world,and perhaps the whole problem could have been avoided in the first place,if the man had just gone over to the patchholder and introduced himself?He probably didn't know it was a police 3 peice patch.Startin crap with a cop club always leads to trouble and leaves you on the short end of the stick.If you're going to immerse into a subculture,doesn't it make sense to at least follow the customs of said culture?
#26
05-16-2010, 08:32 PM
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I think this one officer is just a durnfoolidjiut and he's making everyone else look bad. I personally think there is nothing wrong with an LEO carrying concealed and having a few beers. I know many, many of us do the same. But if he is dumb enough to get drunk enough to do stupid things, maybe he shouldn't be an LEO in the first place.
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05-16-2010, 08:50 PM
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The Seattle cop should shut up and color. While his shooting was legally justified, it all could most likely have been avoided if he had simply not gone around emulating a motorcycle gang member. You can be a cop or a gang member, not both. He, and those like him, are an embarrassment to the LE profession. The cops I know all can't stand those idiots in their "cop gangs," and feel they are a huge disgrace.
I have no idea why cops tolerate other cops who run around in a Law Enforcement Motorcycle "Club." Would they tolerate cops wearing blue from head to toe and calling themselves Law Enforcement Crips? Would they tolerate cops wearing SUR 13 tattoos and calling themselves Law Enforcement Surenos? Would they tolerate cops wearing "laces and braces" and calling themselves Law Enforcement Hammerskins? I think not, so why tolerate cops that go out of there way to look and sometimes act like an outlaw motorcycle gang?
You want to be a cop, AND be in a motorcycle "club" then sack up and do something that takes some real courage like these guys:
http://www.azcentral.com/news/articl...usts27-ON.html
I have no idea why cops tolerate other cops who run around in a Law Enforcement Motorcycle "Club." Would they tolerate cops wearing blue from head to toe and calling themselves Law Enforcement Crips? Would they tolerate cops wearing SUR 13 tattoos and calling themselves Law Enforcement Surenos? Would they tolerate cops wearing "laces and braces" and calling themselves Law Enforcement Hammerskins? I think not, so why tolerate cops that go out of there way to look and sometimes act like an outlaw motorcycle gang?
You want to be a cop, AND be in a motorcycle "club" then sack up and do something that takes some real courage like these guys:
http://www.azcentral.com/news/articl...usts27-ON.html
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05-16-2010, 08:54 PM
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I think this one officer is just a durnfoolidjiut and he's making everyone else look bad. I personally think there is nothing wrong with an LEO carrying concealed and having a few beers. I know many, many of us do the same. But if he is dumb enough to get drunk enough to do stupid things, maybe he shouldn't be an LEO in the first place.
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05-16-2010, 08:58 PM
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I think this one officer is just a durnfoolidjiut and he's making everyone else look bad. I personally think there is nothing wrong with an LEO carrying concealed and having a few beers. I know many, many of us do the same. But if he is dumb enough to get drunk enough to do stupid things, maybe he shouldn't be an LEO in the first place.
