TOAK, The Thread of All Knowledge Part XIII
Stan, I’ve watched a few shock brand reviews recently. One said to go with the lightest spring in your anticipated load range. I don’t see a rebound adjustment capability on those. Would it be cost prohibitive to move up to a model that did ?.
Chuck, How are Ya ?
It appears to have variable rebound. Honestly, I don't know that I'd mess with it much if I could. Not sure how much more I'm willing to spend at this point, with other stage 1 purchases also on the list.
Our 444 Series Shocks feature a proprietary patented Frequency Sensing Technology (FST) that has the unique ability to dynamically adjust damping as you ride; what this means is whether you’re hitting the small or big bumps in the road, the shock distributes oil through ports accordingly to soak up the hit making for an ultimately comfortable ride.
It appears to have variable rebound. Honestly, I don't know that I'd mess with it much if I could. Not sure how much more I'm willing to spend at this point, with other stage 1 purchases also on the list.
Our 444 Series Shocks feature a proprietary patented Frequency Sensing Technology (FST) that has the unique ability to dynamically adjust damping as you ride; what this means is whether you’re hitting the small or big bumps in the road, the shock distributes oil through ports accordingly to soak up the hit making for an ultimately comfortable ride.
I may be reading that wrong ....... that's not referencing rebound.
Our 444 Series Shocks feature a proprietary patented Frequency Sensing Technology (FST) that has the unique ability to dynamically adjust damping as you ride; what this means is whether you’re hitting the small or big bumps in the road, the shock distributes oil through ports accordingly to soak up the hit making for an ultimately comfortable ride.
Last edited by Northern Glide; 12-19-2021 at 09:54 PM.
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They say adjustable dampening, that’s done by adding spring preload. Rebound adjustability changes the rate as which the the shocks return to their preset adjustment.
[QUOTE=Northern Glide;20338587]Hahahaha .....and a good Northern girl at that!
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Gents and @nevada72 , I need opinions.
I've not owned 444s before however Bob and other folks recommend them.
Since I ride solo most of the time.......and top the scale at 206 wet, on a bad day ....... I'm thinking of the standard spring version in 13" length. .
I do not want a harsh ride and I don't canyon carve (very well anyway).
Thoughts ?
Stan, I've actually done a few threads on the 444s and how to get the right spring. Proviso - I'm just a guy that has made a lot of mistakes and uses that path to decent results - for over 50 years relating to motorcycles. But I'm no expert.
So that out of the way, I get the stiff spring = harsh ride fear. But progressive springs (used by Progressive) are a little different. We all know the idea - variable spring rate where the soft rate absorbs the little hits and the hard spring portion takes the big hits. Fast forward to suspension questions - How do you set sag? It's the first thing you do after you bolt the shocks on right? Easy - dial preload until the bike (with you on it) settles 1/3 of the shocks travel. So your example would be 1 inch of sag on a 3 inch shock.
Here's the thing - you need focus on how much preload you dial in to a progressive spring. Why? Think about it - preload is just compressing the spring. BUT - what if you have to dial in a bunch of preload to achieve proper sag? It compresses the lighter spring rate first! Which means if you buy a spring rate (standard) that requires a lot of preload to get sag, you have just turned your progressive spring into a linear rate spring because your preload adjustment took up the softest travel of the spring.
That was the scenic route of telling you to get the HD spring at your weight. I'm about your weight and that's what I ended up with after being dissatisfied with the ride quality of the standard spring.
If you want we could have a phone call this week and talk it over. Again, not because I'm an expert. But because I would love to spare others the mistakes I have made. I can at least be an example of what NOT to do.
PS - Night gents!
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Gents and @nevada72 , I need opinions.
I've not owned 444s before however Bob and other folks recommend them.
Since I ride solo most of the time.......and top the scale at 206 wet, on a bad day ....... I'm thinking of the standard spring version in 13" length. .
I do not want a harsh ride and I don't canyon carve (very well anyway).
Thoughts ?
Stan, I've actually done a few threads on the 444s and how to get the right spring. Proviso - I'm just a guy that has made a lot of mistakes and uses that path to decent results - for over 50 years relating to motorcycles. But I'm no expert.
So that out of the way, I get the stiff spring = harsh ride fear. But progressive springs (used by Progressive) are a little different. We all know the idea - variable spring rate where the soft rate absorbs the little hits and the hard spring portion takes the big hits. Fast forward to suspension questions - How do you set sag? It's the first thing you do after you bolt the shocks on right? Easy - dial preload until the bike (with you on it) settles 1/3 of the shocks travel. So your example would be 1 inch of sag on a 3 inch shock.
Here's the thing - you need focus on how much preload you dial in to a progressive spring. Why? Think about it - preload is just compressing the spring. BUT - what if you have to dial in a bunch of preload to achieve proper sag? It compresses the lighter spring rate first! Which means if you buy a spring rate (standard) that requires a lot of preload to get sag, you have just turned your progressive spring into a linear rate spring because your preload adjustment took up the softest travel of the spring.
That was the scenic route of telling you to get the HD spring at your weight. I'm about your weight and that's what I ended up with after being dissatisfied with the ride quality of the standard spring.
If you want we could have a phone call this week and talk it over. Again, not because I'm an expert. But because I would love to spare others the mistakes I have made. I can at least be an example of what NOT to do.
PS - Night gents!
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