Originally Posted by DownGoesFrazier

I'm glad you made this point. In my opinion, today, the flying of the battle flag or any other flag of the former Confederacy has less to do with slavery and more to do with an inherent desire for freedom from the federal government. Having said that, I totally get the connotations of the battle flag to black folks as surely as anyone must understand the connotations of the swastika to Jewish people.

I have two classes of Libtard friends. One, the working class hero, that believes that our current situation is inherently unfair and repressive. The other, the liberal elites, that truly believe that people are too stupid to take of themselves and must be cared for and directed in all aspects of life. LibElites I know are as racist and socioeconomically elitist as any other redneck white supremacist.

The goal is to provide enough in the trough to keep them (whomever "they" are) placated and satisfied enough not to challenge their power structure. Nonwhites, white nonsupremacists, and others who fly the battle flag today are not racists. They are not endorsing slavery. The heritage they claim is that of freedom from a tyrannical central government. Slavery was then freedom is now.

We have reached a point in our history where there is seemingly no compromise. Politics and the people have become so polarized that I fear there is no turning back. I don't wish to live in my liberal friends' world and they do not wish to live in mine. I care about God, guns, and grits. I couldn't care less if you're gay. Don't tell me to endorse you and you don't have to endorse me. Then we'll all just get along.

I honestly believe that in today's world, the battle flag represents a heritage of freedom from federal tyranny for all people regardless of race, religion, orientation, grits, or guns.

Originally Posted by fat_tony

You people who profess the abolition of slavery was not a central issue in the civil war are changing the facts of history to suit your own beliefs or living in a cloud of ignorance. I find it kind of amazing that so many Americans are ignorant to their own history or even how their political system functions. Many confuse republicanism with democracy. History is seldom pleasant reading. The reasons behind those who wish to remove the confederate flag from the state houses of some southern states governments is because of it's ties to movements supporting slavery and later apartheid in the 20th century, and most recently white supremacist groups and terrorists like Dylann Roof who use it as a rallying point for their cause. Dylann Roof killed more people than the Boston bombers. The issue has never been about banning flags, only to remove the Confederate flag from being officially recognized and flown by a few southern state assemblies like South Carolina, which recently voted to stop flying it in the wake of the actions of Dylann Roof who murdered 9 for his cause. No flag has ever been banned in the US. You can paste ISIS, Confederate, British, Polish, State or what ever flag you wish over your bike if you wish with no legal repercussions in most democratic countries including the US.

http://www.historynet.com/causes-of-the-civil-war
http://www.civilwar.org/150th-annive...ing-storm.html

Originally Posted by TwiZted Biker

None of us were there so no we don't know what the real reasons ( there were many ) behind the civil war. As far as changing the facts of history sorry partner that's been going since books were invented , look at some kids history books today and they have damn sure have been rewritten from when I was in school half a century ago. We today will never have the truth of things just what " facts " supports whatever the latest party line is.

Originally Posted by TwiZted Biker

None of us were there so no we don't know what the real reasons ( there were many ) behind the civil war. As far as changing the facts of history sorry partner that's been going since books were invented , look at some kids history books today and they have damn sure have been rewritten from when I was in school half a century ago. We today will never have the truth of things just what " facts " supports whatever the latest party line is.

Originally Posted by fat_tony

Sorry that does not work for me. Major historical events are documented at the time. As an example, you cannot deny the existence of the holocaust because you were not there. There were just too many witnesses who were there and documented it. Same story with the civil war. You can go back and read the headlines and news articles of the time, or read first hand accounts written by the participants, even view photographs, on all sides if you research the issue a little. Visit your library. For now I'll accept what historians who don't have a personal stake in it have to say.


http://www.historynet.com/causes-of-the-civil-war
http://www.civilwar.org/150th-annive...ing-storm.html

Originally Posted by TwiZted Biker

Wouldn't argue the holocaust been to places where it happened BUT and this is a big but even that's being slowly rewritten and glossed over as time passes and living memories fade, ask any 20 something about WW2 and see what you get back. You believe what's in print about any major event in history is the unvarnished truth and hasn't drifted with a little spin with time and popular sentiment your a fool.