Captaincaveman & all,

To answer your question about cops carrying and not regular citizens and I'm not being sarcastic as you have a valid question. Generally speaking LEO's have much more training, not just with the firearms but more so with the legal points. The other thing is we just happened to have a legislature and President at the time who also believed this was another way to help keep Americans safer and the new law passed. Some states like TN are trying to change the law in that state to allow private citizens with CCW permits to carry in establishments which serve alcohol. I do not see a problem as long as the person is not intoxicated I also agree that the best policy is when carrying don't drink.

It would actually be great if the US Attorney General would issue an opinion as to what was meant by HR218, but it appears that the first of any case law was this case and in this case the judge appears to have ruled that HR218 would exempt LEOs from the state laws restricting CCW permit holders.

The Rapid City Journal covered this incident very well and they may have it archived. The bar owner stated they noticed an unusual gathering of HA in the bar and they called the local police just moments before the incident happened. There was no indication that the officer was intoxicated or that he did anything to provoke the attack other than the colors he was wearing.

 

Precisely.

 

I think the cop was using poor judgment going into a bar full of HAs wearing his Iron Pigs colors. Sounds to me like he was out looking for trouble and found some. Everyone that I know knows full well who the Iron Pigs are. I have many LEOs in my family and none of them are so stupid. I mean lets be real here. The same outcome could have happened had it been a Mongal going into the same bar. Or any other 1% patch holder. No respect given or received.

 

Mr. Smith claims he was “guilty until proven innocent,”

that sounds exactly like what they do to us on a regular basis....

 

There has been a few responses to this comment quoted above. I would like to, again, add my two cents in support of NR4TWstatement. He has a very valid statement.

When I ride. I ride with whatever I am wearing that day. I do not support or advocate these LE three piece M/C's. I feel they are only asking for trouble; I Refer to the Sturgis incident.

links to support my next rant:

http://www.ironbrotherhoodmc.com/

The "Iron Brotherhood" are Law Enforcement Officers.......

When you look at the verbiage used on the site to promote members, their philosophy, and overall outlook of themselves. I see the same image on a "1%" website. So what is the difference?

 

Obviously you missed my point. I wasn't saying Crips, Bloods or Skins are infiltrating LE. I was saying that a cop starting a Law Enforcement Motorcycle "Club" is analogous to starting a set of Law Enforcement Crips or a clique of Law Enforcement Surenos. The Law Enforcement Motorcycle "Clubs" are mimicking Outlaw Motorcycle Gangs. That was my point.

 

Yep.Yeah, and they are all mimicking the Outlaw Motorcycle Gangs, and to use your language they are "poser gang member wannabes."I hope the above was clear. The Law Enforcement Motorcycle "Clubs" are an embarrassment to the LE profession because they are in fact mimicking the Outlaw Motorcycle Gangs. As I said before they are no different than if a group of cops got together and wore all blue and called themselves Law Enforcement Crips, or wore laces and braces and called themselves Law Enforcement Hammerskins.

Clear enough for you?

 

 

I'm not pissed off by freedom. I support everyone's freedom to act like an immature idiot, doesn't mean I have to like it, or make them any less immature or any less an idiot. If you can't see the idiocy of cops running around looking and acting like gang members then you too are exercising the above mentioned freedom.