Additives to the fuel?
#11
12-13-2013, 09:36 PM
I disagree.
Last year I rode my Iron year 'round with the exeption of a single two week period where the roads were covered in snow and ice. And after that rude period of inclement weather [LOL] I started up the bike and within 10 seconds it crapped out. I restarted it and it would NOT stay running unless the throttle was at half, and even at that it was coughing out the intake, farting out the exhaust, and just ran like $hit. It seemed to get slightly better after I gunned the $hit out of it so I took it down the road - but after just a mile or two there was no improvement so I turned around and thankfully made it home without incident.
As soon as I got home I looked into the fuel tank; cloudy. Now this was gas that I had purchased just two weeks prior. I siphoned it out and took the cage to the gas station with a jug for a couple of gallons of fresh 93 octane, which I then poured into the tank. The bike started right up, and although it initially coughed for about ten seconds, it soon thereafter smoothed out and it was back to it's normal self.
I then looked at the fuel I siphoned out of the tank, which revealed through the cloudiness that the ethynol in the fuel had attracted a decent amount of water, which was enough to cause erratic [read: $hitty] performance. It was then that I decided that I would use some type of product to help eleviate the moisture problems associated with fuels containing ethynol, and that product was sea foam.
Many here will insist that today's fuels don't require anything additional because of all the additives and detergents already in them, but there are NO gasolines available today that I am aware of that offer any means of fighting or limiting any moisture related problems. And since adding a very small amount of sea foam to each tankfull since that day I have yet to have ANY fuel related issues, and that to me is a little peace of mind that costs me a mere $5-6 once a year, affordable to most everyone except the most hard core penny pinchers, oh, and the poor guys who [say they] can't afford tuners, bwaaaahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaa...
=8^)
Last year I rode my Iron year 'round with the exeption of a single two week period where the roads were covered in snow and ice. And after that rude period of inclement weather [LOL] I started up the bike and within 10 seconds it crapped out. I restarted it and it would NOT stay running unless the throttle was at half, and even at that it was coughing out the intake, farting out the exhaust, and just ran like $hit. It seemed to get slightly better after I gunned the $hit out of it so I took it down the road - but after just a mile or two there was no improvement so I turned around and thankfully made it home without incident.
As soon as I got home I looked into the fuel tank; cloudy. Now this was gas that I had purchased just two weeks prior. I siphoned it out and took the cage to the gas station with a jug for a couple of gallons of fresh 93 octane, which I then poured into the tank. The bike started right up, and although it initially coughed for about ten seconds, it soon thereafter smoothed out and it was back to it's normal self.
I then looked at the fuel I siphoned out of the tank, which revealed through the cloudiness that the ethynol in the fuel had attracted a decent amount of water, which was enough to cause erratic [read: $hitty] performance. It was then that I decided that I would use some type of product to help eleviate the moisture problems associated with fuels containing ethynol, and that product was sea foam.
Many here will insist that today's fuels don't require anything additional because of all the additives and detergents already in them, but there are NO gasolines available today that I am aware of that offer any means of fighting or limiting any moisture related problems. And since adding a very small amount of sea foam to each tankfull since that day I have yet to have ANY fuel related issues, and that to me is a little peace of mind that costs me a mere $5-6 once a year, affordable to most everyone except the most hard core penny pinchers, oh, and the poor guys who [say they] can't afford tuners, bwaaaahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaa...
=8^)
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#12
12-13-2013, 11:51 PM
Many here will insist that today's fuels don't require anything additional because of all the additives and detergents already in them, but there are NO gasolines available today that I am aware of that offer any means of fighting or limiting any moisture related problems. And since adding a very small amount of sea foam to each tankfull since that day I have yet to have ANY fuel related issues, and that to me is a little peace of mind that costs me a mere $5-6 once a year, affordable to most everyone except the most hard core penny pinchers, oh, and the poor guys who [say they] can't afford tuners, bwaaaahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaa...
=8^)
Last edited by jmale1972; 12-13-2013 at 11:56 PM.
#13
12-14-2013, 03:11 AM
Seasoned HDF Member
#14
12-14-2013, 09:13 AM
#15
12-14-2013, 10:42 AM
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#17
12-14-2013, 09:05 PM
Banned
Seafoam will fix and prevent many non mechanical problems. Clean carbon and treat the fuel. Its an awesome product.
Old time products that work very well are MMO and TCW3. Both are awesome upper cylinder lubricants and will clean carbon from valves. You just have to make sure you dont add too much of either. Tcw3 is much cheaper than oils marketed as an UCL that are the same thing without the dye, which to me I like the dye. You will know if it adds too much color to the gas if you put too much in. You can also make your own lucas safeguard with naphtha and tcw3, because thats all it is. Keeps things nice and clean and lubed on the top end. As dry as E10 is a little lube in the gas is a good idea for the fuel pump amd injectors. MMO, tcw3 and UCLs will also clean the valves and tops of pistons when mixed right.
Old time products that work very well are MMO and TCW3. Both are awesome upper cylinder lubricants and will clean carbon from valves. You just have to make sure you dont add too much of either. Tcw3 is much cheaper than oils marketed as an UCL that are the same thing without the dye, which to me I like the dye. You will know if it adds too much color to the gas if you put too much in. You can also make your own lucas safeguard with naphtha and tcw3, because thats all it is. Keeps things nice and clean and lubed on the top end. As dry as E10 is a little lube in the gas is a good idea for the fuel pump amd injectors. MMO, tcw3 and UCLs will also clean the valves and tops of pistons when mixed right.
#18
12-20-2013, 11:07 PM
I disagree.
Last year I rode my Iron year 'round with the exeption of a single two week period where the roads were covered in snow and ice. And after that rude period of inclement weather [LOL] I started up the bike and within 10 seconds it crapped out. I restarted it and it would NOT stay running unless the throttle was at half, and even at that it was coughing out the intake, farting out the exhaust, and just ran like $hit. It seemed to get slightly better after I gunned the $hit out of it so I took it down the road - but after just a mile or two there was no improvement so I turned around and thankfully made it home without incident.
As soon as I got home I looked into the fuel tank; cloudy. Now this was gas that I had purchased just two weeks prior. I siphoned it out and took the cage to the gas station with a jug for a couple of gallons of fresh 93 octane, which I then poured into the tank. The bike started right up, and although it initially coughed for about ten seconds, it soon thereafter smoothed out and it was back to it's normal self.
I then looked at the fuel I siphoned out of the tank, which revealed through the cloudiness that the ethynol in the fuel had attracted a decent amount of water, which was enough to cause erratic [read: $hitty] performance. It was then that I decided that I would use some type of product to help eleviate the moisture problems associated with fuels containing ethynol, and that product was sea foam.
Many here will insist that today's fuels don't require anything additional because of all the additives and detergents already in them, but there are NO gasolines available today that I am aware of that offer any means of fighting or limiting any moisture related problems. And since adding a very small amount of sea foam to each tankfull since that day I have yet to have ANY fuel related issues, and that to me is a little peace of mind that costs me a mere $5-6 once a year, affordable to most everyone except the most hard core penny pinchers, oh, and the poor guys who [say they] can't afford tuners, bwaaaahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaa...
=8^)
Last year I rode my Iron year 'round with the exeption of a single two week period where the roads were covered in snow and ice. And after that rude period of inclement weather [LOL] I started up the bike and within 10 seconds it crapped out. I restarted it and it would NOT stay running unless the throttle was at half, and even at that it was coughing out the intake, farting out the exhaust, and just ran like $hit. It seemed to get slightly better after I gunned the $hit out of it so I took it down the road - but after just a mile or two there was no improvement so I turned around and thankfully made it home without incident.
As soon as I got home I looked into the fuel tank; cloudy. Now this was gas that I had purchased just two weeks prior. I siphoned it out and took the cage to the gas station with a jug for a couple of gallons of fresh 93 octane, which I then poured into the tank. The bike started right up, and although it initially coughed for about ten seconds, it soon thereafter smoothed out and it was back to it's normal self.
I then looked at the fuel I siphoned out of the tank, which revealed through the cloudiness that the ethynol in the fuel had attracted a decent amount of water, which was enough to cause erratic [read: $hitty] performance. It was then that I decided that I would use some type of product to help eleviate the moisture problems associated with fuels containing ethynol, and that product was sea foam.
Many here will insist that today's fuels don't require anything additional because of all the additives and detergents already in them, but there are NO gasolines available today that I am aware of that offer any means of fighting or limiting any moisture related problems. And since adding a very small amount of sea foam to each tankfull since that day I have yet to have ANY fuel related issues, and that to me is a little peace of mind that costs me a mere $5-6 once a year, affordable to most everyone except the most hard core penny pinchers, oh, and the poor guys who [say they] can't afford tuners, bwaaaahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaa...
=8^)
The question was about normal gasoline in normal conditions...
Yes **** happen!
#19
12-21-2013, 06:12 AM
"You're talking about a bad experience with contaminated gas."
No kidding, moisture in my fuel!
There was no delivery truck at the gas station when I filled that tank up. And I had burned half of that tank of fuel with zero problems. This fuel then sat for two weeks in my garage while I waited for the snow and ice to disappear from the roadways, during which the temps were in the low 30's if I remember correctly.
Upon inspection of the fuel, it was obvious that it was cloudy, which is very consistant with moisture invasion. There were no other signs of "contamination" such as dirt, slime, discoloration, or any form of debris that could have possibly been a result from the mixing of contaminants due to a fuel delivery at the gas station. BTW I have much experience with large fuel tanks as a 550,000 [yes that's no typo, a five hundred and fifty thousand] gallon #6 FO tank resided not 25 feet from my office window and we had enough underground 2,000 to 10,000 gallon fuel tanks on site to consider our operation a "Fuel Storage Facility." As such we had several PM proceedures [required by the state and EPA] that we performed on each above AND below ground fuel tanks during the year, one of which was to check for water with color changing "water paste." And if we found water we'd pump out the bottom of the tank until there were no more signs of it. There were also multiple filtration systems that assured our boilers wouldn't be affected by debris in the fuel. And when it comes to gas stations there is also multiple filtration, the last of which are on the pump. Believe me when I tell you, the very last thing a gas company wants is to lose sales from a bad rap involving dirty fuel. And it's quite safe to get fuel even while the tanker truck is dropping it's load; if it werent, they'd certainly end that practice.
Now, a #2 heating oil delivery to your home into your 40 year old 275 gallon above ground fuel tank that's never been cleaned and is filled with leaves and dirt is another story; this will indeed stir up everything that's in the tank during a delivery, in which case it's always a good idea to shut off your burner to let things "settle out" for a couple of hours [or hey, how about cleaning the tank?], and hopefully your fuel is not directly pulled from the bottom of the tank but from up top through a line that terminates at least 4" above the bottom of the tank, to avoid pulling any contaminants into your filter.
Anyway, I would by all means consider my experience to fall under the title of "...normal gasoline in normal conditions" as ethynol is a common additive in these parts, and therefore quite relative to this discussion.
=8^)
No kidding, moisture in my fuel!
There was no delivery truck at the gas station when I filled that tank up. And I had burned half of that tank of fuel with zero problems. This fuel then sat for two weeks in my garage while I waited for the snow and ice to disappear from the roadways, during which the temps were in the low 30's if I remember correctly.
Upon inspection of the fuel, it was obvious that it was cloudy, which is very consistant with moisture invasion. There were no other signs of "contamination" such as dirt, slime, discoloration, or any form of debris that could have possibly been a result from the mixing of contaminants due to a fuel delivery at the gas station. BTW I have much experience with large fuel tanks as a 550,000 [yes that's no typo, a five hundred and fifty thousand] gallon #6 FO tank resided not 25 feet from my office window and we had enough underground 2,000 to 10,000 gallon fuel tanks on site to consider our operation a "Fuel Storage Facility." As such we had several PM proceedures [required by the state and EPA] that we performed on each above AND below ground fuel tanks during the year, one of which was to check for water with color changing "water paste." And if we found water we'd pump out the bottom of the tank until there were no more signs of it. There were also multiple filtration systems that assured our boilers wouldn't be affected by debris in the fuel. And when it comes to gas stations there is also multiple filtration, the last of which are on the pump. Believe me when I tell you, the very last thing a gas company wants is to lose sales from a bad rap involving dirty fuel. And it's quite safe to get fuel even while the tanker truck is dropping it's load; if it werent, they'd certainly end that practice.
Now, a #2 heating oil delivery to your home into your 40 year old 275 gallon above ground fuel tank that's never been cleaned and is filled with leaves and dirt is another story; this will indeed stir up everything that's in the tank during a delivery, in which case it's always a good idea to shut off your burner to let things "settle out" for a couple of hours [or hey, how about cleaning the tank?], and hopefully your fuel is not directly pulled from the bottom of the tank but from up top through a line that terminates at least 4" above the bottom of the tank, to avoid pulling any contaminants into your filter.
Anyway, I would by all means consider my experience to fall under the title of "...normal gasoline in normal conditions" as ethynol is a common additive in these parts, and therefore quite relative to this discussion.
=8^)
#20
12-21-2013, 07:22 AM
So, as a car owner, I've always put in a fuel cleaner every now and then into my gas tank, for good luck sake, and some petroleum substance into the oil, and my honda has run great for years. I finally bought my Harley 883 Superlow (2013) and now I'm wondering, can I do the same with a motorcycle, and should I do the same with my bike? Any recommendations to keep my bike alive, healthy, and happy for a very long time? (Only have had her for a week and 3 days, 690 miles on her, used 91 octane, supreme, fuel only)
I don't bother with oil additives, I just run a good synthetic oil.