Sportster Models 883, 883 Custom, 1200 Custom, 883L, 1200L, 1200S, 1200 Roadster, XR1200, and the Nightster.
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:

1200 conversion ?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
  #1  
Old 01-01-2013, 07:55 PM
92 sporty's Avatar
92 sporty
92 sporty is offline
Stage IV
Thread Starter
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: sartell
Posts: 4
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default 1200 conversion ?

If i convert my 883 to a 1200 or a 1250 do i HAVE to change the cam or can i do that later. Im also wanting to run the 883 heads
 
  #2  
Old 01-01-2013, 08:01 PM
Ragnar Danneskjöld's Avatar
Ragnar Danneskjöld
Ragnar Danneskjöld is offline
Road Warrior
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Ottawa, Ontario
Posts: 1,949
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default

No, you don't have to change the cams.
 
  #3  
Old 01-01-2013, 08:17 PM
iwantmybeerbackplease's Avatar
iwantmybeerbackplease
iwantmybeerbackplease is offline
Tourer
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: St. Louis, MO
Posts: 431
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
Default

You can change the cams later but you'll have to tune the bike twice. What year is the bike? Carb or EFI? Also, your 883 heads will work fine but I'd consider, at minimum, a competition valve job from NRHS or Hammer Performance. If I remember correctly, a competition valve job is recommended, as a minimum, on 883 heads if changing cams. 883 heads are rather inefficient without the valve job. Here's an excellent write-up from Hammer Performance on 883 conversions: http://hammerperf.com/883conversions.shtml.

-Beer

EDIT: Guess you have a 92 Sporty. I missed that the first time.
 

Last edited by iwantmybeerbackplease; 01-01-2013 at 08:36 PM.
  #4  
Old 01-02-2013, 07:38 AM
92 sporty's Avatar
92 sporty
92 sporty is offline
Stage IV
Thread Starter
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: sartell
Posts: 4
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Thumbs up

Thanks for the link thats the best info ive found on a conversion all in one place
 
  #5  
Old 01-02-2013, 08:13 AM
grbrown's Avatar
grbrown
grbrown is offline
Club Member
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Bedford UK
Posts: 45,429
Received 2,866 Likes on 2,429 Posts
Wink

If you go to the NRHS website they have a graph showing engine performance comparing stock 883 engine, with 1250 kit plus stock heads and various stages of head porting. The noteworthy thing is that performance of all 1250s is very similar in the rev range most of us will ride. I am sure most of us will be thrilled by a 1250 kit and stock 883 heads with stock cams. Further changes improve performance mostly in the upper rev range.
 
  #6  
Old 01-02-2013, 08:36 AM
baka1969's Avatar
baka1969
baka1969 is offline
Extreme HDF Member

Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: NE Philly
Posts: 12,986
Received 705 Likes on 467 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by grbrown
If you go to the NRHS website they have a graph showing engine performance comparing stock 883 engine, with 1250 kit plus stock heads and various stages of head porting. The noteworthy thing is that performance of all 1250s is very similar in the rev range most of us will ride. I am sure most of us will be thrilled by a 1250 kit and stock 883 heads with stock cams. Further changes improve performance mostly in the upper rev range.
+1

Even with a 100+ HP Sporty vs a simple 70 HP conversion, most of the extra power comes above 4500 RPM. Most riders will shift at or before then.

Unless you'll be dragging the bike or want to post great dyno numbers, you probably won't need the extra ponies. Also remember, the more power you add, the more expensive it gets and you sacrifice some reliability.

If you're going to have cams and head work done, it should be done while you do the conversion. 100 HP seems like a great idea when you're already doing the conversion to begin with. Just realize that it won't be cheap and it won't run as reliably.
 
  #7  
Old 01-02-2013, 08:41 AM
Madnss's Avatar
Madnss
Madnss is offline
Grand HDF Member
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: river
Posts: 3,714
Received 1,107 Likes on 590 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by baka1969
+1

Even with a 100+ HP Sporty vs a simple 70 HP conversion, most of the extra power comes above 4500 RPM. Most riders will shift at or before then.

Unless you'll be dragging the bike or want to post great dyno numbers, you probably won't need the extra ponies. Also remember, the more power you add, the more expensive it gets and you sacrifice some reliability.

If you're going to have cams and head work done, it should be done while you do the conversion. 100 HP seems like a great idea when you're already doing the conversion to begin with. Just realize that it won't be cheap and it won't run as reliably.

I agree to disagree
 
  #8  
Old 01-02-2013, 08:48 AM
Madnss's Avatar
Madnss
Madnss is offline
Grand HDF Member
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: river
Posts: 3,714
Received 1,107 Likes on 590 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by baka1969
+1

Even with a 100+ HP Sporty vs a simple 70 HP conversion, most of the extra power comes above 4500 RPM. Most riders will shift at or before then.

Unless you'll be dragging the bike or want to post great dyno numbers, you probably won't need the extra ponies. Also remember, the more power you add, the more expensive it gets and you sacrifice some reliability.

If you're going to have cams and head work done, it should be done while you do the conversion. 100 HP seems like a great idea when you're already doing the conversion to begin with. Just realize that it won't be cheap and it won't run as reliably.

Or unless you want a killer engine with tons of power that's reliable. Nobody needs the extra ponies, if that was the case they would all be 883s


There can be a lot more power made at 3 grand, not 4500. Why do all you guys think these sportys with some port work cams are so unreliable. Please don't fear the unknown of a beefed up 1200
 
  #9  
Old 01-02-2013, 08:51 AM
Madnss's Avatar
Madnss
Madnss is offline
Grand HDF Member
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: river
Posts: 3,714
Received 1,107 Likes on 590 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by 92 sporty
If i convert my 883 to a 1200 or a 1250 do i HAVE to change the cam or can i do that later. Im also wanting to run the 883 heads
No you don't have to change the cam. If you want performance. The more you do at once the better. Simply because the engine is apart. Good luck
 
  #10  
Old 01-02-2013, 08:56 AM
Madnss's Avatar
Madnss
Madnss is offline
Grand HDF Member
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: river
Posts: 3,714
Received 1,107 Likes on 590 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by grbrown
If you go to the NRHS website they have a graph showing engine performance comparing stock 883 engine, with 1250 kit plus stock heads and various stages of head porting. The noteworthy thing is that performance of all 1250s is very similar in the rev range most of us will ride. I am sure most of us will be thrilled by a 1250 kit and stock 883 heads with stock cams. Further changes improve performance mostly in the upper rev range.
Upper rev range....how about 3000 to 3500 as a starting point. Like stated above, I don't think you realize the fun factor and power of a worked over 1200 has in the 3000 to 6000 range.
 


Quick Reply: 1200 conversion ?



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 06:26 AM.