two bikes one deer. braking question
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10-12-2010, 05:34 PM
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Last summer I was coming down a steep (19% grade) curvy road near my house at dusk. I came into a straight at about 40mph and a deer jumped out in front of me. First reaction was brake and stay straght. I ended up locking the rear for about 60 feet and let off. It was scary but got the job done. I'm afraid if I would have railed the front brake at might have bucked me. I guess the best option would have been a combination of the two, but pressures change based on speed pitch and slope. It's hard to teach yourself how to react in panic situations without actually having the surprise factor.
#22
10-12-2010, 06:02 PM
Last summer I was coming down a steep (19% grade) curvy road near my house at dusk. I came into a straight at about 40mph and a deer jumped out in front of me. First reaction was brake and stay straght. I ended up locking the rear for about 60 feet and let off. It was scary but got the job done. I'm afraid if I would have railed the front brake at might have bucked me. I guess the best option would have been a combination of the two, but pressures change based on speed pitch and slope. It's hard to teach yourself how to react in panic situations without actually having the surprise factor.
Don't hurt yourself with your training....stay fairly slow...you are building muscle memory.
RAL
#23
10-13-2010, 02:57 AM
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Absolutely, 100% wrong. What happens is that you will stall the bike, and lose any chance of control. You need to go to an empty parking lot, and practice stopping hard with just the front brake. Learn where the breaking point is on your brake, so that you know when you are at the edge of traction with that brake. Then do the same with the rear. Then do both together. Do NOT teach yourself to downshift as a means of slowing the bike. DO grab the clutch, leave it in, and downshift at the appropriate speeds, revving the engine as needed to allow the transmission to select the next lower gear.
IF you DON'T spend time doing REAL braking drills, practice,,,
Your gonna get Killed out there.
As for the MSF and that ,,"Lock the rear?? and Keeping It locked"
BULLCHIT!!!
This Is taught because NEW riders cannot react quickly yet.
IF the rear Is locked and the bike Is not straight and you let up,,YES the bike can "Hi side" or side snap.
If yer straight and you lock the rear then very quickly let up, the bike should only twitch once..
YOU NEED BOTH wheels turning for the Gyroscopic stability they produce.
You lock the rear and that stopps the engine,,well,,
You just lost two outta three stabilizing gyroscopes .
Two outta three you say ???
yeah the rear wheel and the engine flywheel..
Remember, as you squeez the front brake weight transfer
takes place and the rear needs less pressure to lock up.
Master that Front brake first!!!
Last edited by Osco; 10-13-2010 at 03:00 AM.
#24
10-13-2010, 03:03 PM
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Read this quote TEN times,,,then read It again,,,
IF you DON'T spend time doing REAL braking drills, practice,,,
Your gonna get Killed out there.
As for the MSF and that ,,"Lock the rear?? and Keeping It locked"
BULLCHIT!!!
This Is taught because NEW riders cannot react quickly yet.
IF the rear Is locked and the bike Is not straight and you let up,,YES the bike can "Hi side" or side snap.
If yer straight and you lock the rear then very quickly let up, the bike should only twitch once..
YOU NEED BOTH wheels turning for the Gyroscopic stability they produce.
You lock the rear and that stopps the engine,,well,,
You just lost two outta three stabilizing gyroscopes .
Two outta three you say ???
yeah the rear wheel and the engine flywheel..
Remember, as you squeez the front brake weight transfer
takes place and the rear needs less pressure to lock up.
Master that Front brake first!!!
IF you DON'T spend time doing REAL braking drills, practice,,,
Your gonna get Killed out there.
As for the MSF and that ,,"Lock the rear?? and Keeping It locked"
BULLCHIT!!!
This Is taught because NEW riders cannot react quickly yet.
IF the rear Is locked and the bike Is not straight and you let up,,YES the bike can "Hi side" or side snap.
If yer straight and you lock the rear then very quickly let up, the bike should only twitch once..
YOU NEED BOTH wheels turning for the Gyroscopic stability they produce.
You lock the rear and that stopps the engine,,well,,
You just lost two outta three stabilizing gyroscopes .
Two outta three you say ???
yeah the rear wheel and the engine flywheel..
Remember, as you squeez the front brake weight transfer
takes place and the rear needs less pressure to lock up.
Master that Front brake first!!!
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