hello again well had my first ride with the snowboard pants , much better they really cut the wind and insulate , it was a 25 min ride temps about 37deg going 45-50 mph . usually my legs got cold cause i only had jeans on , but with just the sb pants and jeans it was a nice ride i wasnt rushed too get there so i could "warm up " i could concentrate on my driving and not feel cold. so im pretty happy for now , we'll see how it goes when temps really drop though.

ride safe everyone and thanks for the replys.