Should HARLEY make a real starter bike ?
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RE: Should HARLEY make a real starter bike ?
ORIGINAL: Ric27
I gota ask. Why is it "that Harley should come out with a real starter bike. Around 650 - 700 cc about 400 lbs" . Can't you find a bike in the HD line-up that's right for you?
Ric
I gota ask. Why is it "that Harley should come out with a real starter bike. Around 650 - 700 cc about 400 lbs" . Can't you find a bike in the HD line-up that's right for you?
Ric
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RE: Should HARLEY make a real starter bike ?
My 1200C was also my starter bike and I believe it is also my finisher bike. I've been out on 150+ mile trips with others riding their big bikes and I don't have any troulbe at all.
I considered buying a smaller bike and working my way up but figured I need to be extra cautious learning anyway so why not get what I want. Sure, I had a few extra pucker moments with handling the 600lbs. but I have never dropped it and I had respect for what it could do from the beginning.
I don't think Harley should have an entry level "beginners" bike any more than Porsche should bring back the 914. The Boxster was entry level enough as is the Sportster from Harley. Both serve their purpose well without dropping below their respectful companies' mark.
I considered buying a smaller bike and working my way up but figured I need to be extra cautious learning anyway so why not get what I want. Sure, I had a few extra pucker moments with handling the 600lbs. but I have never dropped it and I had respect for what it could do from the beginning.
I don't think Harley should have an entry level "beginners" bike any more than Porsche should bring back the 914. The Boxster was entry level enough as is the Sportster from Harley. Both serve their purpose well without dropping below their respectful companies' mark.
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Well, indeed a starter is a starter, and they just would not be kept long. I do not think would help Harley, except to sell lower price bikes, and they are already not to happy that a sale could be as low as 10K already with a sportster. My experience is that they all get smaller as you learn how to manuever them better and better. How many guys find the Sporster a starter? lots. I think if you want a Harley, it is in you and you will get there. A harley is a harley. I owned a metric, and may have another someday, but I have never found anything to match the feeling of my harley.
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ORIGINAL: cHarley
I doubt it would be a good idea for Harley. To get it into the entry level range and compete with the other smaller (cheap) bikes, HD would have to drop the quality such that it would not be good for the brand name. Just my .02
I doubt it would be a good idea for Harley. To get it into the entry level range and compete with the other smaller (cheap) bikes, HD would have to drop the quality such that it would not be good for the brand name. Just my .02
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Way freaking cool!!My dad brought me home a H-D Sprint in pieces and made me (with his help) assemble it and get it running and we even rattle canned the frame and tank ~ If that isn't a "starter" bike I don't know what is ~ I loved that bike and rode it to death ~ our neighbor's pool house/Tool shed burned and burned half our garage and it was toast ~ 12 years old and heart broken ~ but wouldn't trade the memories for gold!! BLEED H-D!!
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The Buell Blast is the closest thing Harley's gonna get to a true "starter/learner" bike. I want one, too like Schumacher said, "Ride the snot out of it!" Other bike manufacturers are getting rid of their "mid-sized" starter bikes. Honda makes the Rebel 250 and will continue to make it. They discontinued the old 450 Rebel long ago. Too bad, that was a good little bike. Honda also just discontinued their 600 cc Shadow. So now Honda is going from 250 straight to 750. I don't know how long the 1100 will last with the popularity of their 1300 VTX line, either.
The V-Star 650 is a popular "starter bike", but at the same dimensions as the 1100, why not just go with the bigger bike as the "starter/learner", and even get some real use out of it later on?
As has been said, starter bikes are meant to be somewhat "disposable"...learn on them, and then trade up. I think a salient point of the original post, though, is that people usually stick with what they are familiar with, and what they know works for them. If they start out on a Kawi, they tend to trade upon a Kawi. Start on a Honda and trade up on a Honda. I started on a Honda 750 and ALMOST traded up to a Honda 1300. Test rode the Sportster Low, and a couple of months later decided on the Harley. I kept riding the Honda until my finances got in order, and finally got my '07 Low in September with 12 miles on the clock. I have 5,960 miles on it now. I put over 10K on the Honda.
So Harley has their Buell Blast as a starter bike, and their 883 as the next step up for the cruiser crowd. Harley is not getting rid of the 883 Standard or the Custom; they are getting rid of the 883 Roadster. For people who prefer a bit more power and want to stick with the venerable Sportster line, the 1200 is very popular in all it's models, and shows no sign of going away. For those who want even more power and comfort, as well as a bigger bike, the Dyna models are not going away, either. Then there's the ever popular Softails, and the tourers. For those who want something completely different, there's the V-Rod.
Teek
The V-Star 650 is a popular "starter bike", but at the same dimensions as the 1100, why not just go with the bigger bike as the "starter/learner", and even get some real use out of it later on?
As has been said, starter bikes are meant to be somewhat "disposable"...learn on them, and then trade up. I think a salient point of the original post, though, is that people usually stick with what they are familiar with, and what they know works for them. If they start out on a Kawi, they tend to trade upon a Kawi. Start on a Honda and trade up on a Honda. I started on a Honda 750 and ALMOST traded up to a Honda 1300. Test rode the Sportster Low, and a couple of months later decided on the Harley. I kept riding the Honda until my finances got in order, and finally got my '07 Low in September with 12 miles on the clock. I have 5,960 miles on it now. I put over 10K on the Honda.
So Harley has their Buell Blast as a starter bike, and their 883 as the next step up for the cruiser crowd. Harley is not getting rid of the 883 Standard or the Custom; they are getting rid of the 883 Roadster. For people who prefer a bit more power and want to stick with the venerable Sportster line, the 1200 is very popular in all it's models, and shows no sign of going away. For those who want even more power and comfort, as well as a bigger bike, the Dyna models are not going away, either. Then there's the ever popular Softails, and the tourers. For those who want something completely different, there's the V-Rod.
Teek
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RE: Should HARLEY make a real starter bike ?
I think the idea has merit. But I think they would need to make sure it had the Harley name, and everyone knows it is a Harley, and push it as the perfect entry level bike. Problem with Buell is that a lot of people have no clue that Buell has anything at all to do with Harley. (Same as withany other make Harley has had but not with the Harley name). And the Sprint, or anything like a 125, or 250 is just TOO small. You would thinkMOCO could come up with something that is the right size and weight and quality, at an attractive price. My 2 cents.
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RE: Should HARLEY make a real starter bike ?
ORIGINAL: Perch
...You would thinkMOCO could come up with something that is the right size and weight and quality, at an attractive price. My 2 cents.
...You would thinkMOCO could come up with something that is the right size and weight and quality, at an attractive price. My 2 cents.
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ORIGINAL: NuBob
No No No No!
HD should bring back the Deuce and get rid of the Rocker.
They should focus more on good lines.
If you want entry level go burn some rice.
No No No No!
HD should bring back the Deuce and get rid of the Rocker.
They should focus more on good lines.
If you want entry level go burn some rice.
You want a little Harley? Why? I know you have tried to explain, but I just don't get it.
Ric