fiveinthelive I agree but nobody else does my SEII are loud enough they **** my neighbours off.I too had a post awhile back about the same thing SEIIs are the quietest I have researched it very well and no luck in toning it down a bit.I have got used to the sound but it is definitely a lot louder then stock.My neighbour a block away has a Dyna with V&Hnot modifiedand when he starts up his bike it wakes up the dead and I can hear him in my recroom