When is a bike a "lemon"?
#22
RE: When is a bike a "lemon"?
By the way, a lawyer will decide if it is best for you to file a suit against the Dealer or MOCO. They will give you the best chances at winning. I say get a lawyer and file a suit. At least get an opinion from a lawyer. I think most people on this forum are too loyal to HD to want you to file against them. Too bad if they bend over TRYING to make you happy. You still have problems. Contact a lawyer, see what they say.
#23
RE: When is a bike a "lemon"?
Wanna know the short and simple answer.....?
You got the "fuel infection". That's why I can't stand EFI....too many damn problems.
And I'm honestly not being one-sided on this....EVERYONE I've met that's owned a newer sporty with EFI has had alot of issues with them....I'll keep my carb, thanks.
You got the "fuel infection". That's why I can't stand EFI....too many damn problems.
And I'm honestly not being one-sided on this....EVERYONE I've met that's owned a newer sporty with EFI has had alot of issues with them....I'll keep my carb, thanks.
#24
RE: When is a bike a "lemon"?
ORIGINAL: 6o66er
Wanna know the short and simple answer.....?
You got the "fuel infection". That's why I can't stand EFI....too many damn problems.
And I'm honestly not being one-sided on this....EVERYONE I've met that's owned a newer sporty with EFI has had alot of issues with them....I'll keep my carb, thanks.
Wanna know the short and simple answer.....?
You got the "fuel infection". That's why I can't stand EFI....too many damn problems.
And I'm honestly not being one-sided on this....EVERYONE I've met that's owned a newer sporty with EFI has had alot of issues with them....I'll keep my carb, thanks.
#25
RE: When is a bike a "lemon"?
Think what you want...it happens with EVERY manufacturer...cars, trucks, bikes, don't matter....when they FIRST come out...they have to work out all the bugs.
So, you've got 4, out of how many examples on this forum alone? If you look around, you and your 3 buddies are quite lucky, I'd say.
So, you've got 4, out of how many examples on this forum alone? If you look around, you and your 3 buddies are quite lucky, I'd say.
#26
RE: When is a bike a "lemon"?
6o66er touched on it, but I haven't seen anyone flat out state the well-known and documented issues of the 2007 models made prior to July? 2007. Rocker box cover warped. Fuel pressure regulator with associated washers and gaskets bad. Electrical arcing near the battery compartment due to wires rubbing and becoming exposed. And my favorite....the "pants on fire" exhaust header pipe temps. Those are all common problems of the 2007 Sportsters, and they were addressed by the dealership. so far, no lemon.
I knew about these issues when I got mine, but I've been fortunate that I had no rocker box cover warpage, no leaks, and the fuel pressure regulator was fixed before I got it. The battery terminals are tight, and the wires don't rub anywhere. Bike runs great, and has never died while riding it. It HAS HOWEVER died while just warming up. It usually hesitates a little bit a few seconds to a minute after start up, and on rare occasions actually dies. I restart no problem and it doesn't do it again. I don't have an issue with it. I get crappy mileage, though...around 40-42 mpg.
Getting back to the bike at hand, you are STILL having problems with the bike, and they are the same problems? Maybe the fuel regulator was bad? Something with the ECM? I dunno, a voltimeter and a diagnostic check should find any problems, as well as if the bike is throwing any error codes. The dealer has been good to you so far, and I don't think that will change...until you get a lawyer. I'd say let them fix the damn thing. And I'm talking about FIXING it, not simply working on it. Ask about the heat shield service advisory, too. That way you won't have to worry about that service advisory, also. It's a good bike...once it's fixed, it should be FIXED. But I'm thinking it might unfortunately take a couple of more visits to isolate the exact problem. I'm a big supporter of EFI, but I'll admit if you had a carb, I don't think you would be having your existing "hiccup and buck" problem. And even if you were, it would be much simpler to diagnose and fix on a carb bike. Good luck and keep us informed.
Teek
I knew about these issues when I got mine, but I've been fortunate that I had no rocker box cover warpage, no leaks, and the fuel pressure regulator was fixed before I got it. The battery terminals are tight, and the wires don't rub anywhere. Bike runs great, and has never died while riding it. It HAS HOWEVER died while just warming up. It usually hesitates a little bit a few seconds to a minute after start up, and on rare occasions actually dies. I restart no problem and it doesn't do it again. I don't have an issue with it. I get crappy mileage, though...around 40-42 mpg.
Getting back to the bike at hand, you are STILL having problems with the bike, and they are the same problems? Maybe the fuel regulator was bad? Something with the ECM? I dunno, a voltimeter and a diagnostic check should find any problems, as well as if the bike is throwing any error codes. The dealer has been good to you so far, and I don't think that will change...until you get a lawyer. I'd say let them fix the damn thing. And I'm talking about FIXING it, not simply working on it. Ask about the heat shield service advisory, too. That way you won't have to worry about that service advisory, also. It's a good bike...once it's fixed, it should be FIXED. But I'm thinking it might unfortunately take a couple of more visits to isolate the exact problem. I'm a big supporter of EFI, but I'll admit if you had a carb, I don't think you would be having your existing "hiccup and buck" problem. And even if you were, it would be much simpler to diagnose and fix on a carb bike. Good luck and keep us informed.
Teek
#27
RE: When is a bike a "lemon"?
ORIGINAL: 6o66er
Think what you want...it happens with EVERY manufacturer...cars, trucks, bikes, don't matter....when they FIRST come out...they have to work out all the bugs.
So, you've got 4, out of how many examples on this forum alone? If you look around, you and your 3 buddies are quite lucky, I'd say.
Think what you want...it happens with EVERY manufacturer...cars, trucks, bikes, don't matter....when they FIRST come out...they have to work out all the bugs.
So, you've got 4, out of how many examples on this forum alone? If you look around, you and your 3 buddies are quite lucky, I'd say.
#28
RE: When is a bike a "lemon"?
ORIGINAL: joel85
Ok so say there are 100 people with problems with efi on this board alone. That could leave what 20,000 out there with no problems. When they recall the entire line, gimme a call. You guys act like it's an epidemic. Far greater numbers without problems is the bottom line. I guess a lot of us are lucky.
Ok so say there are 100 people with problems with efi on this board alone. That could leave what 20,000 out there with no problems. When they recall the entire line, gimme a call. You guys act like it's an epidemic. Far greater numbers without problems is the bottom line. I guess a lot of us are lucky.
Well, 100 or so on this board alone equals thousands upon thousands nation and world-wide...either way, I really don't care...to be completely honest...I was just simply stating that I've heard FAR more bad about them than good, which is not uncommon being they're fairly new. And by that I'm not talking just owners, I'm talking HD techs, MMI Instructors,andthe salesmen I know from three stealerships I go to valley-wide.
In short - Here's your shiny gold star for being so lucky,and I wasn't BASHING anything...just stating the truth....I'll re-iterate once more:
Almost 100% of the time, when a manufacturer of ANY make, model, or type of vehicle releases a brand new form of engine and/or EMS...be it car, truck, bike, boat, etc, etc, etc...they have problems with it. It's called human error, and it's quite common.
So, take it how you want. It was light (and some what dry)humor to prove the point above....NOT, in ANY way,saying your bike is a pile of $h!t.
#30
RE: When is a bike a "lemon"?
It's good to hear from someone who has the same bike. I've had the heat shield replaced and had the castle washer installed on the fuel pressure regulator. Yes the bike hiccups once or twice until warmed up. Yes it occasionally would cut out during warm up, but I would start it back up and it would be fine. I have no problems with that as long as it keeps running and doesn't hiccup and buck when accelerating. However, when it quits on my at 60 mph or when accelerating, that's not good. By the way this will be my 9th warranty repair. How many repairs do I give them before someone says, this bike is just not right. The sales mgr., the service mgr. and others at the dealer say they've never seen one this bad. I don't want to get a lawyer and have some other avenues to persue before I go that far. I don't wish to cause problems for the dealer, or H-D for that matter. I just want a bike that runs without all these problems. I think spending $10,000 entitles me to that.
Anyway, thanks for writing back. I'll post the details of what happens as it unfolds.
Anyway, thanks for writing back. I'll post the details of what happens as it unfolds.