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Default '97 XLH1200 Lower Triple Tree eyelet snapped

I performed an fork oil change on my bike and the lower triple yoke snapped when I torqued the bolt. I purchased the bike from an elderly man who kept it under a shed. I was just going through it to get road ready when the pinch bolt snapped the alumium. My question is if the technical manual torque spec is wrong (30 ft-lbs) or if the cast alumium becomes brittle after 30 years. Note that the area we live in is coastal SC.
 
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What my manual says.

Maybe overtightened in the past?

See any sign of darker area in break.



What does it look like? Hope you can find that part.

 

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It was really tight when I loosened it. It may have been overtightened before. The break looks clean but I found a site about airplane frame aluminum weakening with age in salty environment. I ordered a new one from JP cycles but I don't like aftermarket parts because you don't know what quality controls are used if any. Also I don't like just changing parts without understanding the cause of failure. Navy OCD. Thanks for all ideas. It's helpful.
 
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It was really tight when I loosened it. It may have been overtightened before. The break looks clean but I found a site about airplane frame aluminum weakening with age in salty environment. I ordered a new one from JP cycles but I don't like aftermarket parts because you don't know what quality controls are used if any. Also I don't like just changing parts without understanding the cause of failure. Navy OCD. Thanks for all ideas. It's helpful.
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Maybe someone thought the gap had to close that exists in the clamp to fork tube which of course would put tremendous stress on the metal.
 
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I would get a used OEM from eBay. You need a press to get the stem out unless you get a used one with the stem still in it.
 
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The triple tree brackets are cast, so there is a possibility that air bubbles can form in the finished casting, that especially happens when components are cast from "monkey metal", also known as "pot metal", it is a mixture of what's available in left over low melting point metals which are thrown into the melting pot and cast. The resulting metal has a grainy internal texture which is easily fractured.

I don't think for a moment that H-D would use monkey metal, but I remember the fork axle clamps on Triumph twins and triples were cast from monkey metal and they were frequently cracking. I had to regularly replace the axle clamps on my T140E and T160V due to fractures.

A fractured Triumph front axle clamp.


 
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There's no 'monkey metal' in Harley Davidson's aluminum triple trees. That's structural grade aluminum. Now ever material has a limit before cracking. Being a casting, that elastic limit when reached will be unforgiving.

Harley's motto is same as the #1 aircraft carrier and nuclear sub builder is, only good motorcycles, at a profit if we can, at a lost if we must, but only good ships.

Someone overtightenen it, and probably like Dan said tried to close the gap. My model requires anti-seize to that bolt and 35-40. All other 04 Softails 30-35 and no anti-seize

And the lower axle clamp will do the same on a Harley Softail if you don't bottom the front one 15-21 lbs and the rear torques last.

One needs a OEM service manual to SAFELY work on different motorcycles. This kind of stuff can get you worst then dead

Now I am referring to later model Harleys'. Not the bowling ball ones! Interestingly, my friend has a Sporty with the bowling ball logo on the tank. Way over 100k on it. I put the belt and drive pulleys on it long ago.

Still runs like new, other then the 3rd belt and second set of pulleys and maintenance, never missed a lick.

I know, save you the trouble....
 

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