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Old 09-29-2020 | 05:46 AM
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Maybe we will see the new sportsters looking something like this:



 
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Old 09-29-2020 | 06:08 AM
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Starting to wonder what is the displacement of the concept bike pictures. If it is the 975 cc Bronx motor, it is said to be at over 100 hp and I'd think dual discs on the front would be needed to haul the thing down.

Wasn't there smaller displacement Revolution Max engines hinted at like 500cc and 750 cc?
 
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Old 09-30-2020 | 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by firehawk6
Wasn't there smaller displacement Revolution Max engines hinted at like 500cc and 750 cc?
Yes. I believe it was the announcement for the Pan America that had a throw away line about the Revolution Max engines eventually coming in 500/750/975/1250cc displacements. That's why I keep harping on the idea that the RevMax bikes are the replacement for both the Sportster and Street lines of bikes.
 
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Old 09-30-2020 | 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by John Harper
Are any other manufacturers having the same difficulties? All the European and Japanese manufacturers seem to be able to adapt.
Yes! Do you remember about so called dieselgate?

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Why would any manufacturer run two assembly lines? If the other motorcycle companies can meet EU5 standards, why would they produce a separate bike with lower standards?
This is actually what global manufacturers usually do.
Lower Euro-something spec costs less in production, therefore easier to sell. But you still have to develop higher spec model for more strictly regulated markets.
For example, i owned European-spec model of Honda CB125e (regardless it was assembled on their plant in China). It was equipped with catalytic converter and with modern headlight. Same time they were selling CB125e in Australia without catalytic converter and with classic round headlight.
And, as some user manuals mentioned, models for South American countries featured fuel system adapted for fuels with high content of ethanol.

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I don't think the Europeans or Japanese are trying to sell a 40+ year old aircooled V-Twin engine design in Europe.
They just have other ages-old engine layouts. How about nostalgic CB1100EX?
Or just simple and cheap CB-125, XR-150, their frame and engine are something from early 80s, only with new ignition and plastic.
And MotoGuzzi V7 with their ancient transverse air-cooled twin
 
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Old 09-30-2020 | 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Pugslycat01
Yes. I believe it was the announcement for the Pan America that had a throw away line about the Revolution Max engines eventually coming in 500/750/975/1250cc displacements. That's why I keep harping on the idea that the RevMax bikes are the replacement for both the Sportster and Street lines of bikes.
I hope they are not going to put all 4 displacements on single case and gearbox. Should be at least two sizes (e.g. 500..750 and 975..1250)
 
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Old 09-30-2020 | 02:27 PM
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No matter what happens, I have a real Harley Davidson Sportster sitting in the garage that will last me till I die. Unless you are with the old crowd that says they quit making Sportsters when they dropped the iron head. LOL
 
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Old 09-30-2020 | 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Marsikus
Yes! Do you remember about so called dieselgate?


This is actually what global manufacturers usually do.
Lower Euro-something spec costs less in production, therefore easier to sell. But you still have to develop higher spec model for more strictly regulated markets.
For example, i owned European-spec model of Honda CB125e (regardless it was assembled on their plant in China). It was equipped with catalytic converter and with modern headlight. Same time they were selling CB125e in Australia without catalytic converter and with classic round headlight.
And, as some user manuals mentioned, models for South American countries featured fuel system adapted for fuels with high content of ethanol.


They just have other ages-old engine layouts. How about nostalgic CB1100EX?
Or just simple and cheap CB-125, XR-150, their frame and engine are something from early 80s, only with new ignition and plastic.
And MotoGuzzi V7 with their ancient transverse air-cooled twin
Actually often the opposite. More production of a certain model can mean lower cost (ex; buy in bulk), and limited markets often have more restrictions (ex: EU, Thailand). There aren't necessarily more assembly lines, just different parts being put on.
 
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Old 09-30-2020 | 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by 4RG.I.'S
Actually often the opposite. More production of a certain model can mean lower cost (ex; buy in bulk), and limited markets often have more restrictions (ex: EU, Thailand). There aren't necessarily more assembly lines, just different parts being put on.
That all depends on production volume.
Honda has huge production and sale volume, therefore they benefit from splitting of models down to market-specific, and even building factories per region.
H-D has much less volume, therefore it's better to keep more monotonic model line-up.
 
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