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#1141
This is what I thought. I'm going to look into it more. But I am only interested in one that lets me set my own afr by each cell individually.
FYI...from previous convos with Vance and Hines the fp3 is set at 14.4 across all cells and I don't recall it being adjustable at all. If I recall correctly you could run autotune and then adjust cells to lean or rich, but if you ran autotune again it would set them all back to 14.4 Just another reason why I hate the hype of that thing.
FYI...from previous convos with Vance and Hines the fp3 is set at 14.4 across all cells and I don't recall it being adjustable at all. If I recall correctly you could run autotune and then adjust cells to lean or rich, but if you ran autotune again it would set them all back to 14.4 Just another reason why I hate the hype of that thing.
There are at least 4 different answers to your question:
Some auto tuners have a fixed target AFR of 14.7 (not great for performance, and causes a HARLEY engine to run a little hotter than we like, but would keep the engine "California compliant" I suppose).
Some auto tuners have a fixed target AFR that is more performance oriented, like 13.5 for example.
Some auto tuners allow you to set your own target AFR.
The best ones allow you to set the target AFR by cell or range.
Don't ask me which currently available models do what. Since I prefer a human tuner using a dyno, I don't know which auto tuners take what approach.
Jim G
Some auto tuners have a fixed target AFR of 14.7 (not great for performance, and causes a HARLEY engine to run a little hotter than we like, but would keep the engine "California compliant" I suppose).
Some auto tuners have a fixed target AFR that is more performance oriented, like 13.5 for example.
Some auto tuners allow you to set your own target AFR.
The best ones allow you to set the target AFR by cell or range.
Don't ask me which currently available models do what. Since I prefer a human tuner using a dyno, I don't know which auto tuners take what approach.
Jim G
Last edited by Msmall; 08-25-2014 at 08:07 PM.
#1142
There really is no reason to go much richer than 14.whatever:1 during closed loop. Closed loop is only for part throttle driveability. Making it too rich in these areas will not make the bike run any better. Open loop is where you really need to use a wideband and tune it yourself. I do not have the pro autotune with the widebands for my PV. I would assume with that, you set your targeted afr for your open loop tuning.
#1143
#1144
Go to the website, go to Breakout, then click on the tab for "parts and customization".... they show a charcoal grey one that is beautiful !
Sadly, my funds stopped me in my tracks on a BO. But, I will be back....
#1145
Relax bro. First, your coming after 2 guys in 24v and Jim that know their **** and are helpful around here.
I know tuning and haven't heard it referenced as "zero" anything so it wasn't obvious. Also, auto tuning and gathering data "data logging" aren't always one and the same. Most racing applications would not auto tune. they would data log, then a person would review the data and adjust the map.
Working off a canned tune doesn't make a tuner lazy, it makes them efficient. Why would I want to pay a guy to start from scratch on a dyno when I have a typical setup that he's already built custom tunes for a 1000 times over? Start with the closest one you've got and tweak.
I know tuning and haven't heard it referenced as "zero" anything so it wasn't obvious. Also, auto tuning and gathering data "data logging" aren't always one and the same. Most racing applications would not auto tune. they would data log, then a person would review the data and adjust the map.
Working off a canned tune doesn't make a tuner lazy, it makes them efficient. Why would I want to pay a guy to start from scratch on a dyno when I have a typical setup that he's already built custom tunes for a 1000 times over? Start with the closest one you've got and tweak.
Just a little friendly debate guys no need to gang up on someone when they question something you say. I thought the days of post count seniority were long gone. I guess not
Last edited by jgos929; 08-26-2014 at 08:41 AM.
#1147
Nice choice. Green is cool too, but that Charcoal sure looks nice.
Go to the website, go to Breakout, then click on the tab for "parts and customization".... they show a charcoal grey one that is beautiful !
Sadly, my funds stopped me in my tracks on a BO. But, I will be back....
Go to the website, go to Breakout, then click on the tab for "parts and customization".... they show a charcoal grey one that is beautiful !
Sadly, my funds stopped me in my tracks on a BO. But, I will be back....
#1148
Nope, just inside your head apparently.
I'm not ganging up on anyone. Just clarifying your vague statements. I enjoy a good debate from time to time, but there really isn't one here. Some here have calibrated engine management systems, and others have looked over the shoulder of the guy doing it. Either way, we all have a decent knowledge of what is going on, just different opinions on how to get it done.
I'm not ganging up on anyone. Just clarifying your vague statements. I enjoy a good debate from time to time, but there really isn't one here. Some here have calibrated engine management systems, and others have looked over the shoulder of the guy doing it. Either way, we all have a decent knowledge of what is going on, just different opinions on how to get it done.
#1149
Good call, I wish they would have kept the regular graphics with the green. That bs they put on there ruined it for me.