Cam Install ??????
#12
10-27-2012, 10:05 PM
Elite HDF Member
#14
10-28-2012, 08:00 AM
Stellar HDF Member
+1 on the Heartland tools. They're a good value and don't add that much to the overall cost and you can resell them after the install if you want. You can also get them on eBay (where I got mine).
I don't recommend reusing the stock pushrods for 2 reasons:
1. It makes the job more laborious in that you have to remove your heads to pull and reuse the stock ones.
2. Stock pushrods will make noise with some aftermarket cams.
If you use good chromoly adjustables and install/adjust them right, they will work just as well or better than the stock ones. They'll never come loose and you'll never need to worry.
I also do not recommend using the old cam/mallet trick to install the new bearings. If you're gonna spend the money for upgraded bearings (presumably to last longer), do the job RIGHT and use an install tool. Again, 2 reasons:
1. You'll make absolutely certain the bearing goes in straight.
2. A tool will countersink the bearing the several thousands of an inch the way it's supposed to be installed.
JMO, but do what you like and follow the opinions you like. That's what this forum is all about and it's your bike.
I don't recommend reusing the stock pushrods for 2 reasons:
1. It makes the job more laborious in that you have to remove your heads to pull and reuse the stock ones.
2. Stock pushrods will make noise with some aftermarket cams.
If you use good chromoly adjustables and install/adjust them right, they will work just as well or better than the stock ones. They'll never come loose and you'll never need to worry.
I also do not recommend using the old cam/mallet trick to install the new bearings. If you're gonna spend the money for upgraded bearings (presumably to last longer), do the job RIGHT and use an install tool. Again, 2 reasons:
1. You'll make absolutely certain the bearing goes in straight.
2. A tool will countersink the bearing the several thousands of an inch the way it's supposed to be installed.
JMO, but do what you like and follow the opinions you like. That's what this forum is all about and it's your bike.
You definitely want to change to torrigngton cam bearings and the install tool puts the strain on the outer bearing race instead of the inner and properly seats the bearings without a possibility of under sinking them.
Making sure you are at top dead center when installing the push rods and aligning the gears can be tricky if you are new to the concept. You also need a centering drift to properly install the new oil pump if you go with the cam support plate.
If you intend to reuse your lifters make sure that they are as smooth as a baby's butt.
Keep everything that you reuse with their partners that are reused and put them in the same location. Push rods are different lengths for intake and exhaust, for example.
Getting the rocker covers off requires some careful negotiation. If yours are painted be careful. Replace your rocker cover bolts with chrome hex heads if you are so inclined.
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#15
10-28-2012, 08:46 AM
I'm all for reusing the stock pushrods... less hassle with adjusting them and everything... that will go in my price list (minus one set of adjustable pushrods!!!!) Taking the tank off isn't THAT much PITA.
Speaking of which, why is it that we have like 2 popular adjustable pushrods out there that darned near everyone uses and we don't have a writeup that says "67 flats from the bottom" or something like that? I'm sure there's a "stock" setting for the 88s, 96 & 103, give or take a flat for clearances.
#16
10-28-2012, 09:34 AM
Club Member
#17
10-28-2012, 11:22 AM
+1 on the Heartland tools. They're a good value and don't add that much to the overall cost and you can resell them after the install if you want. You can also get them on eBay (where I got mine).
I don't recommend reusing the stock pushrods for 2 reasons:
1. It makes the job more laborious in that you have to remove your heads to pull and reuse the stock ones.
2. Stock pushrods will make noise with some aftermarket cams.
If you use good chromoly adjustables and install/adjust them right, they will work just as well or better than the stock ones. They'll never come loose and you'll never need to worry.
I also do not recommend using the old cam/mallet trick to install the new bearings. If you're gonna spend the money for upgraded bearings (presumably to last longer), do the job RIGHT and use an install tool. Again, 2 reasons:
1. You'll make absolutely certain the bearing goes in straight.
2. A tool will countersink the bearing the several thousands of an inch the way it's supposed to be installed.
JMO, but do what you like and follow the opinions you like. That's what this forum is all about and it's your bike.
I don't recommend reusing the stock pushrods for 2 reasons:
1. It makes the job more laborious in that you have to remove your heads to pull and reuse the stock ones.
2. Stock pushrods will make noise with some aftermarket cams.
If you use good chromoly adjustables and install/adjust them right, they will work just as well or better than the stock ones. They'll never come loose and you'll never need to worry.
I also do not recommend using the old cam/mallet trick to install the new bearings. If you're gonna spend the money for upgraded bearings (presumably to last longer), do the job RIGHT and use an install tool. Again, 2 reasons:
1. You'll make absolutely certain the bearing goes in straight.
2. A tool will countersink the bearing the several thousands of an inch the way it's supposed to be installed.
JMO, but do what you like and follow the opinions you like. That's what this forum is all about and it's your bike.
Stock prods are perfect for bolt in cams like 203, 204, 21, 26, 37....
Yeah, its a personal thing whether to buy specific tools or use backyard mechanic tricks. Lots of people do it both ways.
#18
10-28-2012, 04:43 PM
#19
10-28-2012, 04:48 PM
no, there are several companies that make adjustable pushrods..Fuel Moto makes a set as well, and have a video on how to adjust them:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=GOBmiOiTGXQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=GOBmiOiTGXQ
#20
10-28-2012, 05:15 PM
Dammmmm, I get suckered on cam threads every time....
U've been a member almost as long as I have been and U still don't know ?????
Ur 88'er needs to have at least the chains (inner and outer) changed out to roller chains to get rid of the tensioner issue when doing cams, if not doing gear cams..
Don't,,,Dont use the SE kit,,, (it only changes the outer chain, not the inner one).
Use one that uses the roller inner and outer roller chain if U go with chain cams. Like the Andrews kit.
Now as far as DIY or have the shop do it.?????
When I have Mine done... I did it on one of the Winter specials...
Cams,,, I had Andrews 26h's installed, with new lifters, oils changed, labor, New, Free dyno when done for $899.00..
For that price,, I didn't mess with it..
Just call around to see what's coming up at the dealers to see what the best price/cost U can have it done for this winter..
U've been a member almost as long as I have been and U still don't know ?????
Ur 88'er needs to have at least the chains (inner and outer) changed out to roller chains to get rid of the tensioner issue when doing cams, if not doing gear cams..
Don't,,,Dont use the SE kit,,, (it only changes the outer chain, not the inner one).
Use one that uses the roller inner and outer roller chain if U go with chain cams. Like the Andrews kit.
Now as far as DIY or have the shop do it.?????
When I have Mine done... I did it on one of the Winter specials...
Cams,,, I had Andrews 26h's installed, with new lifters, oils changed, labor, New, Free dyno when done for $899.00..
For that price,, I didn't mess with it..
Just call around to see what's coming up at the dealers to see what the best price/cost U can have it done for this winter..