CAMS or 107 Kit
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10-25-2012, 01:11 AM
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I don't think so. With my 96" stage 1- intake pipes sert was 79hp/91ft lbs... added cams woods 555. 94hp/97ft lbs...
Which yielded being able to stay close to my buddies street glide with a se 103 kit 103/105 hp/tq ... to being able to blow by him.
The 555s seem to come on a tad later but was best mod. In my 96 I think I will port the heads and go up in compression and leave it 96.
Which yielded being able to stay close to my buddies street glide with a se 103 kit 103/105 hp/tq ... to being able to blow by him.
The 555s seem to come on a tad later but was best mod. In my 96 I think I will port the heads and go up in compression and leave it 96.
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10-25-2012, 04:39 AM
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If money's an issue, I'd stick with the cam, cuz you're gonna need more than just the 107 kit from FM. You'll fry your stock starter eventually with the rise in compression, so you'll need a new one of those. Heavy duty compensator spring is also advised.
Good cam (like the one mentioned above) will set that motor free and bring you to almost 100 ft tq, which is HUGE over stock. You can always do the 107 kit later for less money, since you'll already have about 1/4 of the components in the 107 kit anyway, if you buy it from FM. If you still think you might go with the 107 kit later, it would be a good idea to get the Wood lifters and install them now, so you won't need to tear into the cam chest later to install them with the 107 kit. Even if you don't end up doing the 107 later on, putting in the better lifters with the cam (like the Torrington inner bearings) will do more good than harm.
Good cam (like the one mentioned above) will set that motor free and bring you to almost 100 ft tq, which is HUGE over stock. You can always do the 107 kit later for less money, since you'll already have about 1/4 of the components in the 107 kit anyway, if you buy it from FM. If you still think you might go with the 107 kit later, it would be a good idea to get the Wood lifters and install them now, so you won't need to tear into the cam chest later to install them with the 107 kit. Even if you don't end up doing the 107 later on, putting in the better lifters with the cam (like the Torrington inner bearings) will do more good than harm.
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10-25-2012, 07:38 PM
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10-25-2012, 08:18 PM
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10-25-2012, 08:30 PM
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I think the reason is stock from the factory the motor is set up to meet certain emissions standards which lean it out a bit, shortening it's life span. Thats just a guess though.
A cam swap start to finish is pretty quick, I could have done it in less than a day if I sat down and worked through. Took a bunch of breaks though so it took 3 days, 2 for tear down and refit of exhaust and stuff to get to the cam chest and a couple hours to swap the cams themselves.
Look into the Woods 222 cam, I installed that with stage 1 A/C kit and samson true duals and seat of the pants dyno says it pulls crazy hard from 2000 up compared to stock. Need to get on a dyno ASAP but it's getting cool out here so I might wait till after winter.
A cam swap start to finish is pretty quick, I could have done it in less than a day if I sat down and worked through. Took a bunch of breaks though so it took 3 days, 2 for tear down and refit of exhaust and stuff to get to the cam chest and a couple hours to swap the cams themselves.
Look into the Woods 222 cam, I installed that with stage 1 A/C kit and samson true duals and seat of the pants dyno says it pulls crazy hard from 2000 up compared to stock. Need to get on a dyno ASAP but it's getting cool out here so I might wait till after winter.
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#9
10-25-2012, 08:59 PM
I've been going through this same thought..
1) 107" kit from FM.. with the Level B head porting, 555 cams, compression releases (to help with the starter issue), shipping and such.. it's around $2300. (which, if you read their site carefully, requires a core exchange..so basically you have to mail them your stock 96" cylinders else be charged a $299 fee).. and that's true since I've spent all week emailing them about this. You'll make around 110-115hp/118-123tq. This kit also includes all the new bearings, seals, gaskets, lifters, pushers, pullers, bobbers, weavers, and lefts and rights that you'll need..basically everything except the cam bearing removal/insertion tool
1a) without the headwork, it's $1299 +shipping/tax, (+$299 if you want to keep your 96" cylinders) and not get the headwork done or the compression releases milled
2) TW-555 cams.. I've seen these cams online for around $450..give or take.. without a bump in compression and headwork you'll get around 98-101tq. Not entirely horrible
3) TW-222 cams.. relatively new.. and i'm not sure of the price for them alone.. but they're designed for stock compression, and you'll make around 90hp/105tq (+/-).. seems like a better deal for a 96" than the 555's
4) a set of Andrews cams (i don't recall the exact model off the top of my head, but i think they're the 48H's..someone correct me).. which are more affordable, don't produce the same numbers as the woods, but very close to them.. I've seen them online for about $250.
So really.. You have to decide whether $1300-2300 for the 107 is equivalent to what you could get with a set of cams for anywhere from $250-500 (plus cost of lifters and accessories).. so..$800 difference minimum between the two
Oh, about their core exchange.. they told me they charge $299 for the cylinders, then when they receive yours, you get credited $299
1) 107" kit from FM.. with the Level B head porting, 555 cams, compression releases (to help with the starter issue), shipping and such.. it's around $2300. (which, if you read their site carefully, requires a core exchange..so basically you have to mail them your stock 96" cylinders else be charged a $299 fee).. and that's true since I've spent all week emailing them about this. You'll make around 110-115hp/118-123tq. This kit also includes all the new bearings, seals, gaskets, lifters, pushers, pullers, bobbers, weavers, and lefts and rights that you'll need..basically everything except the cam bearing removal/insertion tool
1a) without the headwork, it's $1299 +shipping/tax, (+$299 if you want to keep your 96" cylinders) and not get the headwork done or the compression releases milled
2) TW-555 cams.. I've seen these cams online for around $450..give or take.. without a bump in compression and headwork you'll get around 98-101tq. Not entirely horrible
3) TW-222 cams.. relatively new.. and i'm not sure of the price for them alone.. but they're designed for stock compression, and you'll make around 90hp/105tq (+/-).. seems like a better deal for a 96" than the 555's
4) a set of Andrews cams (i don't recall the exact model off the top of my head, but i think they're the 48H's..someone correct me).. which are more affordable, don't produce the same numbers as the woods, but very close to them.. I've seen them online for about $250.
So really.. You have to decide whether $1300-2300 for the 107 is equivalent to what you could get with a set of cams for anywhere from $250-500 (plus cost of lifters and accessories).. so..$800 difference minimum between the two
Oh, about their core exchange.. they told me they charge $299 for the cylinders, then when they receive yours, you get credited $299
Last edited by Sgt_Jim; 10-25-2012 at 09:04 PM.
