Cats out of the bag...
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It AIN'T you--It's the worst example lately of a "parts-bin" bike.
OK; I think it's time for a Dickey rant. Can't sleep anyway. I dunno what the deal is with the Co lately, anyway. They have taken in the past few years to ruining bikes. Ain't bad enough they ruin 'em with the cat & TBW & all the EPA crappadoola; I realize that ain't their fault. But they gotta mess with the looks,too? First, they ruin the WideGlide in '06 with the Lamisil toenail rear fender. Then, they further ruin it in '09, along with the Sportster & Streetbob. Well, ruin might be a strong word. Not that it loks bad, but it certainly ISN'T a WideGlide. (enough with the "bobbed" fenders already.) Then, in '06 or '07, I forget which, they absolutely ANNIHILATE the Fatboy with that fat, bloated,disgusting oversize rear fender & "trendy" 200 tire. What the hell was up with THAT? In the meantime we are treated to the Rocker, Blackline & Crossbones, and someone somewhere thinks "hey--lets just leave the bikes primered without a final finish & charge more for it". VOILA! Denim finishes are born!!. At least the Rocker, ugly as it is, was something new. The Blackline looks like a hodgepodge of leftover parts that were thrown together without any thought for aesthetics.
Now, they hit us with the Slim. While I think I would buy it over the Fatboy (If it came in vivid black) because I prefer a smaller rear tire to the porky lookin' 200, do we really NEED another blacked out denim black bike with a bobbed rear fender?
Does Wille G realize just how many NightTrains they would sell if they brought it back with a 103 in GLOSS BLACK including motor? Couldn't keep 'em on the floor! So far, the only bikes they HAVEN'T ruined are the Deluxe,SuperGlide Custom, and RoadKing. Waiting for THAT to happen any day now. Or, maybe stock, EPA approved Cholos!! Sheesh!
I think the design team needs to change their crack dealer. They're gettin' some BAAADD ****! Of course, all this is just my opinion, and you know about what THAT'S worth!
Just sayin',IMHO,but that's just me! Don't take me seriously.
OK; I think it's time for a Dickey rant. Can't sleep anyway. I dunno what the deal is with the Co lately, anyway. They have taken in the past few years to ruining bikes. Ain't bad enough they ruin 'em with the cat & TBW & all the EPA crappadoola; I realize that ain't their fault. But they gotta mess with the looks,too? First, they ruin the WideGlide in '06 with the Lamisil toenail rear fender. Then, they further ruin it in '09, along with the Sportster & Streetbob. Well, ruin might be a strong word. Not that it loks bad, but it certainly ISN'T a WideGlide. (enough with the "bobbed" fenders already.) Then, in '06 or '07, I forget which, they absolutely ANNIHILATE the Fatboy with that fat, bloated,disgusting oversize rear fender & "trendy" 200 tire. What the hell was up with THAT? In the meantime we are treated to the Rocker, Blackline & Crossbones, and someone somewhere thinks "hey--lets just leave the bikes primered without a final finish & charge more for it". VOILA! Denim finishes are born!!. At least the Rocker, ugly as it is, was something new. The Blackline looks like a hodgepodge of leftover parts that were thrown together without any thought for aesthetics.
Now, they hit us with the Slim. While I think I would buy it over the Fatboy (If it came in vivid black) because I prefer a smaller rear tire to the porky lookin' 200, do we really NEED another blacked out denim black bike with a bobbed rear fender?
Does Wille G realize just how many NightTrains they would sell if they brought it back with a 103 in GLOSS BLACK including motor? Couldn't keep 'em on the floor! So far, the only bikes they HAVEN'T ruined are the Deluxe,SuperGlide Custom, and RoadKing. Waiting for THAT to happen any day now. Or, maybe stock, EPA approved Cholos!! Sheesh!
I think the design team needs to change their crack dealer. They're gettin' some BAAADD ****! Of course, all this is just my opinion, and you know about what THAT'S worth!
Just sayin',IMHO,but that's just me! Don't take me seriously.
Tell 'em Dickey! You always bring a great perspective that's not clouded by political correctness.
Based on what I see, I love the Slim because it addresses the two things that I wanted to change if I bought a Blackline -- the tank "hump" and the skinny front wheel. I agree it's not a new bike, just another softail variation that will probably run for a couple of years. The Deluxe, SuperGlide, RK and Heritage are there for traditionalists, and the other bikes add some variety for people who want to customize in a different direction.
If they had put a 3.5 gallon peanut tank and forward controls on the Slim, I'd be headed to the dealer right now to place my order!
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I like both bikes for what they are. We cant expect the moco to reinvent the wheel every few years. The rocker and v_rod were a new track and look at the type of scorn thats heaped upon them by the hardline traditionalists. I think the dirt bike bars are awsome, I just wish the front was blacked out. As for the sporty I dig the throwback style, ive been looking in craigs for an old 70's chopper to mess with like the bikes I used to see when I was a kid.
+1 on this! Totally agree!
#25
No matter what they come out with its just a jumping off point for most guys anyway. We are a mod heavy group of customers and when Harley engineers go to bike events and see the things we do to our bikes they probably wonder "Why do I bother".
I have often wondered if they make more money on complete bike sales or on parts. When you look at the mark up on parts compared to what went into them (during manufacturing) it seems as though the profit margin would be quite high. Harley sub contracts part manufacture to suppliers just like the automotive industry so some of the parts Harley sells come from the same factories that aftermarket parts come from. You got to pay though if you want that HD name on the box.
Anyway, Harley pumps out the canvas and we paint the picture and no matter what comes out you can always get a base model if you dont like it.
I have often wondered if they make more money on complete bike sales or on parts. When you look at the mark up on parts compared to what went into them (during manufacturing) it seems as though the profit margin would be quite high. Harley sub contracts part manufacture to suppliers just like the automotive industry so some of the parts Harley sells come from the same factories that aftermarket parts come from. You got to pay though if you want that HD name on the box.
Anyway, Harley pumps out the canvas and we paint the picture and no matter what comes out you can always get a base model if you dont like it.
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I haven't been around Harley's much (compared to many folks on here) as I have only owned my Crossbones for just under four years and it was my first motorcycle. However in that time I have come to appreciate all the different types of H-D motorcycles. I have also been generally disappointed with many of the new releases that Harley puts out. YES. This includes the very Crossbones that I fell in love with and that lead me to purchase a Harley in the first place. That is; once my vocabulary of motorcycles began to grow (thanks in large part to this forum) and I realized how much better the Crossbones could have been from the get go. For example, when the Rocker came out I wondered why Harley couldn't have done a similar swing arm mounted fender on the Bones? When that newer Dyna came out I wondered why didn't Harley put a 2:1 exhaust on the Bones? And now that this Slim is out, why didn't Harley make a set of Hollywood bars for the Bones?
I can also ask similar questions of some of the other models that have come and (in some cases) gone.
Don't get me wrong. I still love my Bones and wouldn't give it up for nothing. I disagree with a lot of the criticism such as the whole matte paint thing is "overdone" or the bobbed fenders is "overdone". Honestly? Walk into any dealership or into the parking lot of any major bike event and see what the ration of shiny bikes to matte bikes is or long fenders to bobbed fenders. The fact that those styles are currently garnishing attention hardly means they are overdone. I see no shortage of people riding their primped, pampered and gaudy bling machines which has been the norm for...how long? I think the term "overused" best applies to chrome, flames and shiny paint schemes which have been the standard for so long.
Anyway, to get back to the point of these newer bikes (or at least the Softail Slim); I have to wonder why the designers at the Moco can't seem to pull all the variety of new parts together into one cohesive design. I would say that it's intentional and meant to drive the modding market but the decisions are so off the mark that I can't help that H-D is just getting it wrong!
Oh well. At least the Sporty is cool but unfortunately my @$$ is too fat for one of those.
Here's hoping that the MOCO will bust out a new Springer model in the next few years that will blow the wheels off of anything else they have done in the last half a decade...although I doubt that will happen.
I can also ask similar questions of some of the other models that have come and (in some cases) gone.
Don't get me wrong. I still love my Bones and wouldn't give it up for nothing. I disagree with a lot of the criticism such as the whole matte paint thing is "overdone" or the bobbed fenders is "overdone". Honestly? Walk into any dealership or into the parking lot of any major bike event and see what the ration of shiny bikes to matte bikes is or long fenders to bobbed fenders. The fact that those styles are currently garnishing attention hardly means they are overdone. I see no shortage of people riding their primped, pampered and gaudy bling machines which has been the norm for...how long? I think the term "overused" best applies to chrome, flames and shiny paint schemes which have been the standard for so long.
Anyway, to get back to the point of these newer bikes (or at least the Softail Slim); I have to wonder why the designers at the Moco can't seem to pull all the variety of new parts together into one cohesive design. I would say that it's intentional and meant to drive the modding market but the decisions are so off the mark that I can't help that H-D is just getting it wrong!
Oh well. At least the Sporty is cool but unfortunately my @$$ is too fat for one of those.
Here's hoping that the MOCO will bust out a new Springer model in the next few years that will blow the wheels off of anything else they have done in the last half a decade...although I doubt that will happen.
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