Cam sugestions please
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Cam sugestions please
I am thinking of doing a cam swap since winter is never going to end but not really sure about a few things and I do not know of a local indy so I thought I would throw it out here.
My 2010 96" is stock other that a PC-5, V&H big radius and the SE air kit with K&N filter. I had it dyno'd last year and got 70.83max power and 85.44 torque.
There are so many brands out there (Tman-SE-woods) and lift/duration types that I have no idea what to go with. What type of increase in power and torque can I expect from a swap and is it worth it? I wanted to do a displacement increase also but it is not in the cards due to funds at this time so just a cam swap.
Thanks
My 2010 96" is stock other that a PC-5, V&H big radius and the SE air kit with K&N filter. I had it dyno'd last year and got 70.83max power and 85.44 torque.
There are so many brands out there (Tman-SE-woods) and lift/duration types that I have no idea what to go with. What type of increase in power and torque can I expect from a swap and is it worth it? I wanted to do a displacement increase also but it is not in the cards due to funds at this time so just a cam swap.
Thanks
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Just did the cam swap a few weeks ago... tough decision as there are many choices out there, and several deciding factors to consider before making the choice.
For me, I was deciding between the SE204, SE211, 31h, 37h, and TW6 as my short list. IMO, here are the major deciding factors:
- Cam only, or displacement upgrade?
- Future engine mod plans?
- Performance objective - what do you expect to achieve (hp vs torque)?
- Reliability a major consideration?
If you're only looking to do the cams and lifters at this time, they can be done without removing the tank and rocker boxes. You need to figure whether you plan to do any further work, such as big bore upgrade, head gasket change for compression, or head work (porting/polishing/etc.), as the selection should take that into account. Some cams work great with the stock compression and head configuration, while others really need additional modifications to realize the gains expected.
Also, cams are an exercise in trade-offs... no one cam will give you increases in horsepower and torque across the entire RPM range. You need to decide whether you want to increase the low to mid, or mid to upper RPM ranges, and whether you are really looking for horsepower or torque increases... torque is probably what most are expecting, as that is the readily-perceptible increase felt from the twist of the throttle.
The milder cams should give a notable increase, while still maintaining reliability. More radical configurations will likely tend to decrease reliability proportionately, IMHO.
Do your homework, including a lot of Google searching, read up on some of the beginner technical primers to understand the basics, and compare the specs closely to decide what will best fit your needs and expectations... I found many threads where guys made cam decisions that they regretted as they just didn't fit their conditions.
I certainly don't profess to be knowledgable on this subject, but I was where you are just a few short weeks ago and have been through that exercise myself, so wanted to share.
I myself ended up going with the Andrews 31h, and after getting through the break-in period I'm just getting a chance to get more aggressive with it, but it certainly seems to have accomplished what I was looking to do.
Good luck with your decision!
Roger
For me, I was deciding between the SE204, SE211, 31h, 37h, and TW6 as my short list. IMO, here are the major deciding factors:
- Cam only, or displacement upgrade?
- Future engine mod plans?
- Performance objective - what do you expect to achieve (hp vs torque)?
- Reliability a major consideration?
If you're only looking to do the cams and lifters at this time, they can be done without removing the tank and rocker boxes. You need to figure whether you plan to do any further work, such as big bore upgrade, head gasket change for compression, or head work (porting/polishing/etc.), as the selection should take that into account. Some cams work great with the stock compression and head configuration, while others really need additional modifications to realize the gains expected.
Also, cams are an exercise in trade-offs... no one cam will give you increases in horsepower and torque across the entire RPM range. You need to decide whether you want to increase the low to mid, or mid to upper RPM ranges, and whether you are really looking for horsepower or torque increases... torque is probably what most are expecting, as that is the readily-perceptible increase felt from the twist of the throttle.
The milder cams should give a notable increase, while still maintaining reliability. More radical configurations will likely tend to decrease reliability proportionately, IMHO.
Do your homework, including a lot of Google searching, read up on some of the beginner technical primers to understand the basics, and compare the specs closely to decide what will best fit your needs and expectations... I found many threads where guys made cam decisions that they regretted as they just didn't fit their conditions.
I certainly don't profess to be knowledgable on this subject, but I was where you are just a few short weeks ago and have been through that exercise myself, so wanted to share.
I myself ended up going with the Andrews 31h, and after getting through the break-in period I'm just getting a chance to get more aggressive with it, but it certainly seems to have accomplished what I was looking to do.
Good luck with your decision!
Roger
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Thank you for all the responses. At this time is is going to be a cam only swap. If I do the motor down the road it will be a big bore and head work but I will do a cam swap then again to take advantage of the big bore and head work.
I have looked at the many cam company's web sites and still can't figure this one out.
I will do the swap myself and would like to stay away from going with a .030 head gasket with some of the cams out there.
I have built many small block chevy drag motors years ago and picking a cam for those was a lot easier. I just never did a harley motor before.
I have looked at the many cam company's web sites and still can't figure this one out.
I will do the swap myself and would like to stay away from going with a .030 head gasket with some of the cams out there.
I have built many small block chevy drag motors years ago and picking a cam for those was a lot easier. I just never did a harley motor before.
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Take a look at this site - that was a really good table to compare many of the cams and specs: http://www.nightrider.com/biketech/camdb.htm
Roger
Roger