Why does HD have to make things so hard?
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RE: Why does HD have to make things so hard?
ORIGINAL: hspring03
I also went with the directional bar from a Deluxe...I was tired of hitting the struts every time I took the bags off.
I also went with the directional bar from a Deluxe...I was tired of hitting the struts every time I took the bags off.
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09-04-2007, 08:20 PM
RE: Why does HD have to make things so hard?
I did have to drill out five holes for the signal bar.....It took a lot of courage and a lot of measuring.
Strange about the slip-ons, especially being 97-02...03 was the same and the 05-07 are the same frame...and same mount points.....Something isn't right. Maybe some parts missing.
Strange about the slip-ons, especially being 97-02...03 was the same and the 05-07 are the same frame...and same mount points.....Something isn't right. Maybe some parts missing.
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09-04-2007, 08:33 PM
RE: Why does HD have to make things so hard?
Having owned metrics in the past I found Harleys to be easier to work on then any other brand I've owned. Mods are just that... modifications. You can get more aftermarket parts for Harleys then any other bike and that's a huge bonus. Many times aftermarket companies make better mods then HD imo. I hope you get it worked out and this is not a slam but my experience is just the opposite.
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RE: Why does HD have to make things so hard?
ORIGINAL: Zzack
Having owned metrics in the past I found Harleys to be easier to work on then any other brand I've owned. Mods are just that... modifications. You can get more aftermarket parts for Harleys then any other bike and that's a huge bonus. Many times aftermarket companies make better mods then HD imo. I hope you get it worked out and this is not a slam but my experience is just the opposite.
Having owned metrics in the past I found Harleys to be easier to work on then any other brand I've owned. Mods are just that... modifications. You can get more aftermarket parts for Harleys then any other bike and that's a huge bonus. Many times aftermarket companies make better mods then HD imo. I hope you get it worked out and this is not a slam but my experience is just the opposite.
All in all, however, I've found parts for most every modification I want and am making them work one way or another, so ultimately the choices I've had are enough.
#16
09-05-2007, 08:40 PM
RE: Why does HD have to make things so hard?
I got ya'. Understood what you meant. Guess I was trying to say that I found aftermarket parts that worked better then many hd accessories which make the abundance of parts real beneficial. I have an ’05 Classic and have found many parts to work even if they are not listed for the model. Sometimes they simply work, sometimes a little modification will make them work. Just takes abit of research about the bikes they're listed to fit and a quick comparison to see how things are put together on my bike.Also look at the heritage springer which was discontinued some years ago. It’s essentially the same bike and those accessories will mostly work too.My experience is that the fact that Harley is more "nuts and bolts" then any metricI owned (they seemed more "stamped out") simply makes 'em easier to modify beyond just bolt on parts. I enjoy wrenching and don't mind going the extra mile to make it work. I understand that's not every one's cup though.
#17
09-06-2007, 05:50 AM
RE: Why does HD have to make things so hard?
I think it is retarded that they don't come out STANDARD with the detachable hardware on them. Infact for the price you should get a bloody sissy bar with the bike!... but as long as we are all (and I include myself) stupid enough to pay extra for all this, they would be stupid not to take advantage of that fact 
That being said... if they at least had the mounting hardware already on the bike stock I think they would sell MORE sissy bars... if you could just rock up to a dealer and buy it and clip it on, people would buy them on the spur of the moment rather than have to plan ahead to get it all fitted up!
IT'S A SCAM !! The Harley people would make good politicians!
DeanO
That being said... if they at least had the mounting hardware already on the bike stock I think they would sell MORE sissy bars... if you could just rock up to a dealer and buy it and clip it on, people would buy them on the spur of the moment rather than have to plan ahead to get it all fitted up!
IT'S A SCAM !! The Harley people would make good politicians!
DeanO
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So, I took care of relocating the turn signals on my Springer Classic today in preparation for a detachable luggage rack and eventually saddlebags. First, I have to question why the heck they design the motorcycle so that the turn signals need to be moved back a half inch to support the detchable hardware. If the relocation kit was more expensive I could buy that they do it to sell the relocation hardware, but the standard relocation hardware is only around $30 so they can't be making a big profit on that.
That being said, however, I went with a different relocation kit. They have a kit numbered 69929-07 that uses the existing turn signal mounts, but it puts extensions on the fender rails that move the signal back a couple inches. To go with the detachable bags I want, LeatherPros pretty much said I need to use this relocation kit. Here is where I have to wonder why HD designs things the way they do.
First I go to figure out how the tombstone taillight is set up, and it's a bit more complicated to get to plugs than the standard taillight is. Once I get that figured out, I discover that the plugs that go from the turn signals into the tail light harness are different than the standard plugs. This causes two issues. One is that, where the plugs for a standard softail will fit through the holes in the fender and fender rail, this plug is a little larger so it will not fit. The second is that the plug extender that comes with the relocation kit will not work. So, I'm stuck with cutting the wires and splicing in a length of wire to extend things. I would have preferred not to have to do this, but I've done it before on my Sportster, so it wasn't a big deal.
Then I discover that the bolts they include for bolting the turn signals on to the rail extension are too short. I "guess" standard softail turn signal stalks are shorter than those on the Springer Classic? So, I have to wrangle up a 3 1/2" bolt to use if I want to have the nice chrome backs on the extensions, but for now I just use the standard bolts and have to skip putting on the chrome back.
So, I have to wonder why HD can't just use the same plugs for all their 2 wire connections, and why they can't use the same turn signal stalk lengths, and really why they can't just design the parts to support the add on harware they KNOW a good portion of people will want to use.
In the midst of all this I stripped the head on one of the fender rail mounting bolts, and those torx pan head bolts aren't exactly standard equipment at the hardware store, so now I likely get to buy a replacement for that at the dealership. That was a dumb mistake where I forgot to change out for the larger torx bit when tightening that one. Luckily I didn't get it very tight, so it was easy enough to remove.
Been a helluva day but the stuff is installed, which is nice. Now I just have to figure out why the damn V&H mufflers I bought do not fit.
So, I took care of relocating the turn signals on my Springer Classic today in preparation for a detachable luggage rack and eventually saddlebags. First, I have to question why the heck they design the motorcycle so that the turn signals need to be moved back a half inch to support the detchable hardware. If the relocation kit was more expensive I could buy that they do it to sell the relocation hardware, but the standard relocation hardware is only around $30 so they can't be making a big profit on that.
That being said, however, I went with a different relocation kit. They have a kit numbered 69929-07 that uses the existing turn signal mounts, but it puts extensions on the fender rails that move the signal back a couple inches. To go with the detachable bags I want, LeatherPros pretty much said I need to use this relocation kit. Here is where I have to wonder why HD designs things the way they do.
First I go to figure out how the tombstone taillight is set up, and it's a bit more complicated to get to plugs than the standard taillight is. Once I get that figured out, I discover that the plugs that go from the turn signals into the tail light harness are different than the standard plugs. This causes two issues. One is that, where the plugs for a standard softail will fit through the holes in the fender and fender rail, this plug is a little larger so it will not fit. The second is that the plug extender that comes with the relocation kit will not work. So, I'm stuck with cutting the wires and splicing in a length of wire to extend things. I would have preferred not to have to do this, but I've done it before on my Sportster, so it wasn't a big deal.
Then I discover that the bolts they include for bolting the turn signals on to the rail extension are too short. I "guess" standard softail turn signal stalks are shorter than those on the Springer Classic? So, I have to wrangle up a 3 1/2" bolt to use if I want to have the nice chrome backs on the extensions, but for now I just use the standard bolts and have to skip putting on the chrome back.
So, I have to wonder why HD can't just use the same plugs for all their 2 wire connections, and why they can't use the same turn signal stalk lengths, and really why they can't just design the parts to support the add on harware they KNOW a good portion of people will want to use.
In the midst of all this I stripped the head on one of the fender rail mounting bolts, and those torx pan head bolts aren't exactly standard equipment at the hardware store, so now I likely get to buy a replacement for that at the dealership. That was a dumb mistake where I forgot to change out for the larger torx bit when tightening that one. Luckily I didn't get it very tight, so it was easy enough to remove.
Been a helluva day but the stuff is installed, which is nice. Now I just have to figure out why the damn V&H mufflers I bought do not fit.
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RE: Why does HD have to make things so hard?
ORIGINAL: dmac1968
I think it is retarded that they don't come out STANDARD with the detachable hardware on them.
I think it is retarded that they don't come out STANDARD with the detachable hardware on them.
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