The Noco NLP20 Lithium battery is really impressive
#21
Oh please, read the reviews. I've never had problems with any batteries including Bike Master lithium. The Noco is a piece of crap. And it was on a 19 Street Glide with a lithium deltran battery charger. I was a NOCO believer for the first 6 months but started reading that there were lots of problems. Then mine went dead. And Noco's replacement warranty is garbage. Enough said to take it for what it's worth but be prepared.
- Did not read the instrucitons, so used a "lead acid" or "AGM" mode battery charger instead of "Lithium" mode charging
- Used a multi-mode battery charger BUT failed to read the instructions for the charger that tell you you must SELECT the mode, and so never actually selected the "Lithium" mode of operation, so the charger operated in "lead acid" or "AGM" mode instead of Lithium mode
- Did not read the provided instructions that describe how the BMS shuts off charging at very cold temperatures to protect the battery. So yeah, the battery will of course not charge in an unheated garage at minus 30F! If you get cold temperatures that tigger the BMS no-charge protection, you are supposed to store and charge the battery INDOORS!
- Bought the wrong model battery for the user's application
- Did not use the spacers to protect the battery from excessive engine vibration (which will destroy ANY type of battery)
etc, etc
Since I always do read the instructions for any product I buy, I figured I would be able to avoid these kinds of issues. And, given my successful usage of Lithium batteries in multiple motorcycles over multiple years, I can attest that reading and following the instructions for both the battery and the charger seems to have worked well.
I'm sorry you had a bad experience.
Jim G
#23
Can’t imagine 11 pounds is the difference between easy and safe maneuvering and risk of unsafe maneuvering. If that is the case, I would not be riding. I don’t believe I could even notice the change. I don’t notice a full tank of fuel which is higher up and heavier. If it gives you more confidence, then by all means but I just see this as a waste of money (best case) and potential failure or worse (worst case).
I wonder how much that government mandated ducks @ss weighs that sticks out the rear of the otherwise clean rear fender? If I was worried about weight, I would lose that first and clean up that clutter.
I wonder how much that government mandated ducks @ss weighs that sticks out the rear of the otherwise clean rear fender? If I was worried about weight, I would lose that first and clean up that clutter.
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#24
Can’t imagine 11 pounds is the difference between easy and safe maneuvering and risk of unsafe maneuvering. If that is the case, I would not be riding. I don’t believe I could even notice the change. I don’t notice a full tank of fuel which is higher up and heavier. If it gives you more confidence, then by all means but I just see this as a waste of money (best case) and potential failure or worse (worst case).
I wonder how much that government mandated ducks @ss weighs that sticks out the rear of the otherwise clean rear fender? If I was worried about weight, I would lose that first and clean up that clutter.
I wonder how much that government mandated ducks @ss weighs that sticks out the rear of the otherwise clean rear fender? If I was worried about weight, I would lose that first and clean up that clutter.
I know the trend is to show off wide rear tires, but to me that's a bit like a guy wearing a mankini!
Jim G
#25
You're kidding about the fender length, right? It is already short enough to spray the rider's back in the rain! I'm glad the license plate is there to help reduce the spray a bit! The current bare@ssed rear-end look on bikes is not very pretty either!
I know the trend is to show off wide rear tires, but to me that's a bit like a guy wearing a mankini!
Jim G
I know the trend is to show off wide rear tires, but to me that's a bit like a guy wearing a mankini!
Jim G
the fit and finish of that premium metal fender.
Anyway, your bike and your choice…YMMV…
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#26
One of the downsides of lithium batteries is they have much lower Ah ratings than comparable AGM batteries. The NOCO has only 8Ah capacity. So, you better make sure your bike never needs to crank a bit longer, or you leave your ignition on going in for a beer.
As example, The late model Harleys have a 1,500 watt starter motor. So, at 12 volts it draws 125 Amps, so 8/125….means it can provide 125 amps for .06 hour= 3.6 minutes…yeah that should be enough if you dint have and with starting.,
As example, The late model Harleys have a 1,500 watt starter motor. So, at 12 volts it draws 125 Amps, so 8/125….means it can provide 125 amps for .06 hour= 3.6 minutes…yeah that should be enough if you dint have and with starting.,
#27
One of the downsides of lithium batteries is they have much lower Ah ratings than comparable AGM batteries. The NOCO has only 8Ah capacity. So, you better make sure your bike never needs to crank a bit longer, or you leave your ignition on going in for a beer.
As example, The late model Harleys have a 1,500 watt starter motor. So, at 12 volts it draws 125 Amps, so 8/125….means it can provide 125 amps for .06 hour= 3.6 minutes…yeah that should be enough if you dint have and with starting.,
As example, The late model Harleys have a 1,500 watt starter motor. So, at 12 volts it draws 125 Amps, so 8/125….means it can provide 125 amps for .06 hour= 3.6 minutes…yeah that should be enough if you dint have and with starting.,
Jim G
#28
Sure, I too like a quick fire up. But sometimes things aren't great, and a longer crank simply happens. Finding out your battery only has enough juice for a few seconds then really sucks.
This is actually a complaint with almost all cars and bikes now. They start so fast you never get a chance to judge the battery. Only when the engine suddenly no longer cranks over do you know the battery has gone caput.
Back in the day of carburetors and chokes, starting took longer and you'd start getting that indication during a longer crank over. RRRRRRrrrr.r.r.r..r..r.. And you knew it was time to start thinking about a new battery. And, you had weeks if not months to do it.
This is actually a complaint with almost all cars and bikes now. They start so fast you never get a chance to judge the battery. Only when the engine suddenly no longer cranks over do you know the battery has gone caput.
Back in the day of carburetors and chokes, starting took longer and you'd start getting that indication during a longer crank over. RRRRRRrrrr.r.r.r..r..r.. And you knew it was time to start thinking about a new battery. And, you had weeks if not months to do it.
#29
The weight reduction IS real. I weighed it on a precision scale and it does weigh 3.7 lb.
You are welcome of course to ride in gfreezing weather - it's your right - BUT NO motorcycle tire is desgined to actually have acceptable traction in winter weather simply because there is no market for winter weather motorcycle tires. You ARE taking your life in your hands. If a cager or an animal runs in front of you, and you try to either brake or swerve, you will likely crash because of that missing traction.
You are welcome of course to ride in gfreezing weather - it's your right - BUT NO motorcycle tire is desgined to actually have acceptable traction in winter weather simply because there is no market for winter weather motorcycle tires. You ARE taking your life in your hands. If a cager or an animal runs in front of you, and you try to either brake or swerve, you will likely crash because of that missing traction.
The whole 'safety' thing in winter has you scared. Not sure where you get your info, but real life means it can be done, so quit worrying so much and get out.
#30
Dayum!! that's a LONG time of continuous cranking.
My bike's a "one second" starter hot or cold. If it took more than 3.5 seconds to start, I'd wonder what's wrong
This thread caught my interest because me battery is 5 years old, and I'll be buying a new one this season "just because"
Since I got 5 trouble free years from a Harley OEM,(and never on a tender) reckon I'll just go with another Harley OEM
..L.T.A.
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