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Yeah but now you gotta wonder about whether or not the EPA will begin to come after those OEM manufacturers as well...
Maybe. But you will still be able to buy one next week
 
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Originally Posted by langwilliams
wasn't this just the "race tuner"?
That's understandable. That's what I have. You can basically map everything. You can change the idle and set A/F ratio points per rpm. I believe the base super tuner is just for uploading maps.
 
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One has to wonder...will the Feds outlaw dynos next? That would suck.
 
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Originally Posted by FLS103
One has to wonder...will the Feds outlaw dynos next? That would suck.
They can't really "outlaw" dynos themselves. Even without the street perfomance market, they have a legal use (engine manufacturers, vehicle/engine testers, race teams, etc).

They CAN restrict & enforce their use in a way that you'd be hard pressed to find someone willing to tune a "street" vehicle on one....

I'm really glad I have a PowerVision. Even if they dropped all support for it tomorrow, it is self contained. Even without any updates, I will be able to tune/change the two bikes I have it licensed to, for as long as I own them...
 

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Old 08-19-2016, 09:26 PM
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it could be that HD is installing these with their pipe kits an stuff an covering them under warranty if bought an installed by HD at the time the bike is purchased.....the aftermarket can probably get away with the "for off road use only" label.
 
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The various stages of SESPT will still be available. It is the Super Pro which is for off road use only that is the one to be discontinued. EPA does not want any manufacturer to sell off road use tuners or exhausts. They tried with parts for folks that build dirt track cars and drag cars but those folks knew what was going on and contacted their reps who legislated that EPA could not do than.

Motorcyclist were so worried about chaps, brand of cycle, who is a biker and fingerless gloves that the deal was done before anyone knew it.
 
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Originally Posted by hattitude
They can't really "outlaw" dynos themselves. Even without the street perfomance market, they have a legal use (engine manufacturers, vehicle/engine testers, race teams, etc).

They CAN restrict & enforce their use in a way that you'd be hard pressed to find someone willing to tune a "street" vehicle on one....

I'm really glad I have a PowerVision. Even if they dropped all support for it tomorrow, it is self contained. Even without any updates, I will be able to tune/change the two bikes I have it licensed to, for as long as I own them...
EPA can outlaw anything they want. They have a phone and a pen. They can regulate racing and or off road use in a heart beat if they want. We are seeing that now in a lot of areas.
 
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I'm really glad I have a PowerVision. Even if they dropped all support for it tomorrow, it is self contained. Even without any updates, I will be able to tune/change the two bikes I have it licensed to, for as long as I own them...
If push comes to shove and things really turn ugly I hope they unlock them before they drop support.
 
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Originally Posted by langwilliams
it could be that HD is installing these with their pipe kits an stuff an covering them under warranty if bought an installed by HD at the time the bike is purchased.....the aftermarket can probably get away with the "for off road use only" label.
This is akin to the VW dieselgate scandal, except it was the dealers installing the emissions defeat devices and not the manufacturer. That makes it much better for HD compared to VW though.
 
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Originally Posted by lh4x4
The various stages of SESPT will still be available. It is the Super Pro which is for off road use only that is the one to be discontinued. EPA does not want any manufacturer to sell off road use tuners or exhausts. They tried with parts for folks that build dirt track cars and drag cars but those folks knew what was going on and contacted their reps who legislated that EPA could not do than.

Motorcyclist were so worried about chaps, brand of cycle, who is a biker and fingerless gloves that the deal was done before anyone knew it.
I have been riding for over 30 years and have never wore chaps or fingerless gloves....don't have to look like one of the village people to ride a motorcycle haha. Another forum I frequent was aware of this issue and we all sent letters to our reps.
 


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