Battery CCAs of 1st Gen Pan Ams?
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Battery CCAs of 1st Gen Pan Ams?
OK, so my battery is starting to read in the lower 12V range no matter if it sits on a battery tender or not, typically 12.1 to 12.4 but even as low as 11.9. I think it's time for it to be replaced. Does anyone know if H-D updated the new battery for the 1st Gen Pan Ams to have more CCAs? I swear I remember the originals being 225 CCA but reading they updated the replacements for the 1st Gen PAs to be 240 CCAs. I also see the part number has changed but I can't seem to find anything about a battery change besides the 24 PAs getting a larger battery. Does anybody have an idea on if something changed?
Thank you in advance for any insight!
Thank you in advance for any insight!
Last edited by silverbulletking; 10-18-2024 at 01:03 PM.
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The changes were more than just a battery. For 2024 they changed the electrical system by including a bigger battery, yes, but also the charging system has some changes.
Apparently you can retrofit a 2021-2023 Pan America to the new 2024 charging system.
Here's the service bulletin.
https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/tsbs/20...49805-0001.pdf
See this link for install instructions and to see what all's included.
Now, unrelated to this, some Gen 1 owners have reported significant reliability increases by installing a higher-power lithium battery, by itself. But if you want the complete fix, you probably need to add the whole service kit. Looks like it's in the ballpark of $2600 or so.
Apparently you can retrofit a 2021-2023 Pan America to the new 2024 charging system.
Here's the service bulletin.
https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/tsbs/20...49805-0001.pdf
See this link for install instructions and to see what all's included.
REVOLUTION MAX CHARGING SYSTEM SERVICE KIT
Now, unrelated to this, some Gen 1 owners have reported significant reliability increases by installing a higher-power lithium battery, by itself. But if you want the complete fix, you probably need to add the whole service kit. Looks like it's in the ballpark of $2600 or so.
Last edited by FatBob2018; 10-18-2024 at 03:09 PM.
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The changes were more than just a battery. For 2024 they changed the electrical system by including a bigger battery, yes, but also the charging system has some changes.
Apparently you can retrofit a 2021-2023 Pan America to the new 2024 charging system.
Here's the service bulletin.
https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/tsbs/20...49805-0001.pdf
See this link for install instructions and to see what all's included.
Now, unrelated to this, some Gen 1 owners have reported significant reliability increases by installing a higher-power lithium battery, by itself. But if you want the complete fix, you probably need to add the whole service kit. Looks like it's in the ballpark of $2600 or so.
Apparently you can retrofit a 2021-2023 Pan America to the new 2024 charging system.
Here's the service bulletin.
https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/tsbs/20...49805-0001.pdf
See this link for install instructions and to see what all's included.
REVOLUTION MAX CHARGING SYSTEM SERVICE KIT
Now, unrelated to this, some Gen 1 owners have reported significant reliability increases by installing a higher-power lithium battery, by itself. But if you want the complete fix, you probably need to add the whole service kit. Looks like it's in the ballpark of $2600 or so.
I'd switch to lithium but was warned by a H-D service dept employee that it'd void my ESP/warranty. That's why I'm looking at AGM batteries, including the standard H-D replacement. Finding the CCA for the revised part number on the H-D battery is impossible.
I'd read somewhere it had been upped to 240CCA but I can't find it now. I swear, whenever I need a little info, H-D acts as if it's vital to national security and has it marked as "for Zeitz eyes only".
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The battery part number for the 2024 Pan America is 65989-97E.
For the 2021 Pan America it was 65958-04C.
Website is scant on details but it does show the amp-hours is a huge increase. 2021's was a 12Ah battery, the 2024's is a 17.5 Ah battery.
From https://h-dmediakit.com/jp/bdp/?ra1250s|2021, it shows the 2021 battery specs as "Sealed, maintenance-free, absorbed glass mat (AGM) battery, 12V, 12Ah, 225 CCA at 0°F".
Unfortunately, it looks like they copied and pasted the specs for 2024, it reads exactly the same, despite us knowing that the 2024's battery is 17.5Ah is nearly 50% more.
Can't find any definitive details on the stock 2024 battery's CCA. However, in this video, Mike's Motorbike Channel says the 2024 battery is 315 CCA. From what I can tell, Mike's considered to be "the guy" when it comes to Pan America knowledge, and he's the only guy on the entire internet (seemingly!) who quotes a stat at all, so I'd tend to say he's probably correct.
For the 2021 Pan America it was 65958-04C.
Website is scant on details but it does show the amp-hours is a huge increase. 2021's was a 12Ah battery, the 2024's is a 17.5 Ah battery.
From https://h-dmediakit.com/jp/bdp/?ra1250s|2021, it shows the 2021 battery specs as "Sealed, maintenance-free, absorbed glass mat (AGM) battery, 12V, 12Ah, 225 CCA at 0°F".
Unfortunately, it looks like they copied and pasted the specs for 2024, it reads exactly the same, despite us knowing that the 2024's battery is 17.5Ah is nearly 50% more.
Can't find any definitive details on the stock 2024 battery's CCA. However, in this video, Mike's Motorbike Channel says the 2024 battery is 315 CCA. From what I can tell, Mike's considered to be "the guy" when it comes to Pan America knowledge, and he's the only guy on the entire internet (seemingly!) who quotes a stat at all, so I'd tend to say he's probably correct.
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The battery part number for the 2024 Pan America is 65989-97E.
For the 2021 Pan America it was 65958-04C.
Website is scant on details but it does show the amp-hours is a huge increase. 2021's was a 12Ah battery, the 2024's is a 17.5 Ah battery.
From https://h-dmediakit.com/jp/bdp/?ra1250s|2021, it shows the 2021 battery specs as "Sealed, maintenance-free, absorbed glass mat (AGM) battery, 12V, 12Ah, 225 CCA at 0°F".
Unfortunately, it looks like they copied and pasted the specs for 2024, it reads exactly the same, despite us knowing that the 2024's battery is 17.5Ah is nearly 50% more.
Can't find any definitive details on the stock 2024 battery's CCA. However, in this video, Mike's Motorbike Channel says the 2024 battery is 315 CCA. From what I can tell, Mike's considered to be "the guy" when it comes to Pan America knowledge, and he's the only guy on the entire internet (seemingly!) who quotes a stat at all, so I'd tend to say he's probably correct.
https://youtu.be/_qAki6l3wRM?t=210
For the 2021 Pan America it was 65958-04C.
Website is scant on details but it does show the amp-hours is a huge increase. 2021's was a 12Ah battery, the 2024's is a 17.5 Ah battery.
From https://h-dmediakit.com/jp/bdp/?ra1250s|2021, it shows the 2021 battery specs as "Sealed, maintenance-free, absorbed glass mat (AGM) battery, 12V, 12Ah, 225 CCA at 0°F".
Unfortunately, it looks like they copied and pasted the specs for 2024, it reads exactly the same, despite us knowing that the 2024's battery is 17.5Ah is nearly 50% more.
Can't find any definitive details on the stock 2024 battery's CCA. However, in this video, Mike's Motorbike Channel says the 2024 battery is 315 CCA. From what I can tell, Mike's considered to be "the guy" when it comes to Pan America knowledge, and he's the only guy on the entire internet (seemingly!) who quotes a stat at all, so I'd tend to say he's probably correct.
https://youtu.be/_qAki6l3wRM?t=210
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The battery part number for the 2024 Pan America is 65989-97E.
For the 2021 Pan America it was 65958-04C.
Website is scant on details but it does show the amp-hours is a huge increase. 2021's was a 12Ah battery, the 2024's is a 17.5 Ah battery.
From https://h-dmediakit.com/jp/bdp/?ra1250s|2021, it shows the 2021 battery specs as "Sealed, maintenance-free, absorbed glass mat (AGM) battery, 12V, 12Ah, 225 CCA at 0°F".
Unfortunately, it looks like they copied and pasted the specs for 2024, it reads exactly the same, despite us knowing that the 2024's battery is 17.5Ah is nearly 50% more.
Can't find any definitive details on the stock 2024 battery's CCA. However, in this video, Mike's Motorbike Channel says the 2024 battery is 315 CCA. From what I can tell, Mike's considered to be "the guy" when it comes to Pan America knowledge, and he's the only guy on the entire internet (seemingly!) who quotes a stat at all, so I'd tend to say he's probably correct.
https://youtu.be/_qAki6l3wRM?t=210
For the 2021 Pan America it was 65958-04C.
Website is scant on details but it does show the amp-hours is a huge increase. 2021's was a 12Ah battery, the 2024's is a 17.5 Ah battery.
From https://h-dmediakit.com/jp/bdp/?ra1250s|2021, it shows the 2021 battery specs as "Sealed, maintenance-free, absorbed glass mat (AGM) battery, 12V, 12Ah, 225 CCA at 0°F".
Unfortunately, it looks like they copied and pasted the specs for 2024, it reads exactly the same, despite us knowing that the 2024's battery is 17.5Ah is nearly 50% more.
Can't find any definitive details on the stock 2024 battery's CCA. However, in this video, Mike's Motorbike Channel says the 2024 battery is 315 CCA. From what I can tell, Mike's considered to be "the guy" when it comes to Pan America knowledge, and he's the only guy on the entire internet (seemingly!) who quotes a stat at all, so I'd tend to say he's probably correct.
https://youtu.be/_qAki6l3wRM?t=210
Has anyone here used the DS battery or know of another reputable AGM battery that fits the Pan Am? I swear, H-D is going to force me to go with Antigravity. I don't have a lot of trust in lithium batteries after having a rechargeable lithium flashlight go Chernobyl a few years ago, but I don't want to swap a battery every year or so either.
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