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Old 08-12-2024, 07:22 PM
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My 1950 FL Harley panhead is a son of a gun to kick over. It does not matter how big or bad you are, it will not turn over fast enough to start.
A bump (push) start gets it started & running with out problem. Timing is set correct, carb (Linkert M74B) complete rebuild. Spark, gas, air all there.
Installed longer kicker arm & shaft. Still, way to hard to kick over, (feels like to much compression, but turns over freely with spark plugs rermoved)
Kinda at a loss here, no shops in the area have been able to help. Any thoughts on solving my problem will be so welcome. THANKS
 
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Old 08-13-2024, 05:52 AM
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Compression pressure wants to be around 100 or a little bit less 90 maybe - another 25 pounds more becomes an issue

valve spring pressure and camshaft lift become an issue

you did not say it has 8 1/2 to one or more compression pistons in it — and a performance cam with valve springs


then you did not say its stock flywheels 74 inch not and 80 inch or more

information is the beginning of helping
 
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A simple compression test will tell you what you have, then how was the motor built will tell why you have it.
 
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Bike was purchased off ebay. The crook I got it from had no information on what parts were used to rebuild it.
Was hoping I would not have to tear it apart to find answers. The fact that it starts wiith a push gives me some hope.
 
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Do the compression test, takes a minute and then you know if too much compression is your issue.
 
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My 75 kicks easy , stock 74 cubes , Crane Cam , 84 is 80 cubes : supposed to be stock bore , camshaft is a big , I suspect advanced a bit . I can kick start it but the issue is it lights 1/2 through the stroke and will remind you , it is the Boss of the operation
 
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Originally Posted by 2 cool
Bike was purchased off ebay. The crook I got it from had no information on what parts were used to rebuild it.
Was hoping I would not have to tear it apart to find answers. The fact that it starts wiith a push gives me some hope.
On eBay, Craigslist or whatever site a bike is advertised on, when the description is very limited, run don’t walk away. Seller is usually hiding something.
 
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"The crook I got it from" ... Hopefully you didn't know that before hand ... As mentioned, a few minutes with a compression gauge should give so information ... Good Luck
 
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Compression only reads 65psi per cyclinder.
 
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Compression only reads 65psi per cyclinder.
In that case, it's at least conceivable that your kicker is hanging up inside the cover. That is, either: (a) bad (very bad) bushing and/or kicker shaft (I don't think a hardened kicker shaft O-ring could add that much friction); or (b) insufficient clearance between the shaft's shoulder and the inside of the cover--or some other mechanical interference. I.e., your throwout bearing could be coming apart inside the kicker cover.

Regardless, you can diagnosis this easily. First, get tranny in neutral, then:

1) remove spark plugs and try turning the engine with kicker first--this eliminates compression as an issue, though you've said it's low;

2) now remove primary cover and try turning the engine with a big socket on the nut at the end of the crank--which eliminates the kicker.

3) if step no. 2 does turn the engine easily but not step no. 1, you've isolated the issue with the kicker mechanism or throwout bearing;

4) if step no. 2 does not turn the engine easily, your tranny or clutch might need attention. Disconnect the primary chain or belt and try no. 2 again to make sure. Diagnose the clutch before messing with the tranny.
 

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