Shovelhead A place to talk about Shovelheads.

The Runout you can't neglect

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
  #1  
Old 07-08-2024, 11:02 AM
Eugene18111976's Avatar
Eugene18111976
Eugene18111976 is offline
5th Gear
Thread Starter
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Europe
Posts: 9
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default The Runout you can't neglect

Hi people,
Recently I've checked the runout and as you can see, it gives .01" at the max. Based on service manual, it must be ~.002". So, here is my question. Is it something that must be addressed with a high prio, or could wait 'till the good time?

Best regards

 
  #2  
Old 07-08-2024, 11:16 AM
MarkSG's Avatar
MarkSG
MarkSG is offline
Cruiser
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Edgewater, FL.
Posts: 186
Received 140 Likes on 64 Posts
Default

Not sure I can answer that question directly. .01" seems like a lot on an opposed taper bearing though.
Easy enough to fix but means splitting the cases. Looks like you are almost all the way there now.
Looks like you have it pretty well apart so I have to make the comment. The primary sprocket needs to be torqued down to get a proper reading on runout.
The chances that the inner race has moved is slim but it will change your runout.
 
The following users liked this post:
Eugene18111976 (07-08-2024)
  #3  
Old 07-08-2024, 02:40 PM
pgreer's Avatar
pgreer
pgreer is offline
Stellar HDF Member
Join Date: Aug 2020
Location: Central Texas
Posts: 2,393
Received 1,484 Likes on 954 Posts
Default

That sounds high for a shovel, even with quite a few miles. How does the pinion bushing in the cam cover look?

I might closely inspect and mic the end of the pinion shaft for any irregularities that would throw the reading off. But if they are correct, I'd split the cases and see what is going on.

Paul
 
The following 2 users liked this post by pgreer:
Eugene18111976 (07-08-2024), Ohio HD (07-09-2024)
  #4  
Old 07-09-2024, 01:59 AM
TwiZted Biker's Avatar
TwiZted Biker
TwiZted Biker is offline
Club Member
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Niles Canyon Ca.
Posts: 64,862
Received 48,733 Likes on 17,794 Posts
Default

It's high, the vibration had to bad when it was running. The old 5 pc wheels aren't like the late press together drama you hear about all the time, the old ones will twist weirdly and the rods walk to one side, chewing up the thrust washer, side thrusting the pistons and left long enough can snap the pinion shaft where is shoulders down for the oil pump gear.
 
The following 5 users liked this post by TwiZted Biker:
Architect (07-09-2024), Eugene18111976 (07-09-2024), FLHS1990 (07-09-2024), Ohio HD (07-09-2024), pgreer (07-09-2024)
  #5  
Old 07-09-2024, 06:00 AM
RANGER73's Avatar
RANGER73
RANGER73 is offline
Seasoned HDF Member

Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Beyond Fucital
Posts: 14,908
Received 6,177 Likes on 3,127 Posts
Default

Wouldn't that be deflection as opposed to run out?
 
  #6  
Old 07-09-2024, 06:42 AM
MarkSG's Avatar
MarkSG
MarkSG is offline
Cruiser
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Edgewater, FL.
Posts: 186
Received 140 Likes on 64 Posts
Default

I realized after Paul's post that I was thinking runout and looking at the picture again, 0.01" deflection in the right side bearing is way too much.

 
The following users liked this post:
Eugene18111976 (07-09-2024)
  #7  
Old 07-09-2024, 08:32 AM
Racepres's Avatar
Racepres
Racepres is offline
Seasoned HDF Member
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Cental, MI
Posts: 7,105
Received 2,186 Likes on 1,594 Posts
Default

And... If the output shaft and sprocket are properly torqued.. Wheels may have shifted, (Shafts not running True) as the side shown is most likely to reflect the deflection...much more than face to face Timkens!!

Time to break out the Truing Stand!!
 

Last edited by Racepres; 07-09-2024 at 08:36 AM.
The following 2 users liked this post by Racepres:
Eugene18111976 (07-09-2024), FLHS1990 (07-09-2024)
  #8  
Old 07-09-2024, 10:58 AM
pgreer's Avatar
pgreer
pgreer is offline
Stellar HDF Member
Join Date: Aug 2020
Location: Central Texas
Posts: 2,393
Received 1,484 Likes on 954 Posts
Default

Conosidering how much runout there currently is and without knowing more about this engine and what has been done to it, I'd split the wheels and check everything including the flywheel tapers. If at some time someone over tightened the crankpin nuts, the tapers can be distorted to the point you can't true the flywheels properly. On a good set of the older tapered flywheels it has always been fairly to get the runout well below .0015, and sometime less than that. I know a couple of builders that have gotten them so close the needle (they added dial gauges to their Rowe truing stand) does not appear to move.

You can lap the tapers if they are damaged, but you need the proper equipment to do that.

Paul
 
The following 3 users liked this post by pgreer:
Eugene18111976 (07-09-2024), Ohio HD (07-09-2024), Racepres (07-10-2024)
  #9  
Old 07-12-2024, 12:25 AM
TwiZted Biker's Avatar
TwiZted Biker
TwiZted Biker is offline
Club Member
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Niles Canyon Ca.
Posts: 64,862
Received 48,733 Likes on 17,794 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by pgreer
Conosidering how much runout there currently is and without knowing more about this engine and what has been done to it, I'd split the wheels and check everything including the flywheel tapers. If at some time someone over tightened the crankpin nuts, the tapers can be distorted to the point you can't true the flywheels properly. On a good set of the older tapered flywheels it has always been fairly to get the runout well below .0015, and sometime less than that. I know a couple of builders that have gotten them so close the needle (they added dial gauges to their Rowe truing stand) does not appear to move.

You can lap the tapers if they are damaged, but you need the proper equipment to do that.

Paul
That's me, set my stand up for dial indicators and I will not accept anything over .001", if I get my teeth in it the needle barely flutters, makes a difference.
 
  #10  
Old 07-12-2024, 08:11 AM
Racepres's Avatar
Racepres
Racepres is offline
Seasoned HDF Member
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Cental, MI
Posts: 7,105
Received 2,186 Likes on 1,594 Posts
Default

How many of y'all in the .001" clan, Have re-checked after a few Hard Miles...Or a Weekend at the Dragstrip???
I have found that as long as yer within Harley Spec..may as well leave it alone, As Ours would Move themselves right back to where they Want to Live..Unless welded...which Moves them by the Welding of them!!!
 


Quick Reply: The Runout you can't neglect



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 08:10 PM.