2014 CVO lifter issues
#11
Don't disagree with the previous posters and would replace the lifters ASAP but would add, DO NOT replace the lifters with OEM lifters. Pick up a set of Johnson Hy-Lifts from WFO Larry, AKA, Larry's Motorcycle and Machine. These lifters are Johnson but built to Larry's specifications and the choice of many builders and DIYers. Either the Slow Leakdown or the Slow Leakdown with pin oiling.https://www.larrysmotorcyclemachine.com/lifters.html
Even though I live in Ontario I called Hillside this morning and spoke with Scott. If I remember correctly I believe he suggested SS lifters but I worked the night shift and was a bit groggy when I called. I don't have the bike yet as mentioned earlier so I don't know if it already has adjustable rods or not.
I also called the HD dealer and they told me that the new SE lifters for that bike was $358.95 and the adjustable push rods were $377.95 and 4 hours labor to do the job which puts in in the neighborhood of around $1400.00 total after tax. They said the old original lifters for the CVO were no longer available because of the issues they had with them. Wish I felt confident enough to do it myself. I'm sure I could with the right instructions and detailed videos. Scary just the same having never done it before. I've done lots of tough jobs before but the lifters and rods mistake could cost me the engine.
Are these the ones you suggest?
Last edited by gt06; 06-27-2024 at 04:41 PM.
#12
Nothing wrong with S&S lifters; I just prefer Larry's lifters. No, not the 2313SL; the L indicates travel limiters which you do not need; the 2313S are the right ones.
Do you have the service manual for you bike? Even without the service manual, there are many DIY videos on YouTube and other places that can walk you through the process. The only thing even a bit tricky is the adjustment of the adjustable pushrods. If you watch a few videos, I believe you will gain the confidence to DIY the project and save yourself some cash. You can retain the OEM pushrods with a little more work by lifting the tank, removing the rocker box cover, loosening the rocker supports enough to slide the pushrods out and reversing the process to finish up.
I have attached a video; adjusting pushrods on a Sporty but the process is the same; lots of videos and I suggest you watch a few before deciding to let a dealer touch your bike. If you buy a set of pushrods, like the HD Tapered Quick Install, you will get everything you need, i.e., pushrods, tubes, clips and o-rings. If you go with S&S, make sure you get a complete set with the shorter lower tubes. Good luck.
https://www.harley-davidson.com/us/e...ods/p/18404-08
Do you have the service manual for you bike? Even without the service manual, there are many DIY videos on YouTube and other places that can walk you through the process. The only thing even a bit tricky is the adjustment of the adjustable pushrods. If you watch a few videos, I believe you will gain the confidence to DIY the project and save yourself some cash. You can retain the OEM pushrods with a little more work by lifting the tank, removing the rocker box cover, loosening the rocker supports enough to slide the pushrods out and reversing the process to finish up.
I have attached a video; adjusting pushrods on a Sporty but the process is the same; lots of videos and I suggest you watch a few before deciding to let a dealer touch your bike. If you buy a set of pushrods, like the HD Tapered Quick Install, you will get everything you need, i.e., pushrods, tubes, clips and o-rings. If you go with S&S, make sure you get a complete set with the shorter lower tubes. Good luck.
https://www.harley-davidson.com/us/e...ods/p/18404-08
#13
Nothing wrong with S&S lifters; I just prefer Larry's lifters. No, not the 2313SL; the L indicates travel limiters which you do not need; the 2313S are the right ones.
Do you have the service manual for you bike? Even without the service manual, there are many DIY videos on YouTube and other places that can walk you through the process. The only thing even a bit tricky is the adjustment of the adjustable pushrods. If you watch a few videos, I believe you will gain the confidence to DIY the project and save yourself some cash. You can retain the OEM pushrods with a little more work by lifting the tank, removing the rocker box cover, loosening the rocker supports enough to slide the pushrods out and reversing the process to finish up.
I have attached a video; adjusting pushrods on a Sporty but the process is the same; lots of videos and I suggest you watch a few before deciding to let a dealer touch your bike. If you buy a set of pushrods, like the HD Tapered Quick Install, you will get everything you need, i.e., pushrods, tubes, clips and o-rings. If you go with S&S, make sure you get a complete set with the shorter lower tubes. Good luck.
https://www.harley-davidson.com/us/e...ods/p/18404-08
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpToaqGGY8Y
Do you have the service manual for you bike? Even without the service manual, there are many DIY videos on YouTube and other places that can walk you through the process. The only thing even a bit tricky is the adjustment of the adjustable pushrods. If you watch a few videos, I believe you will gain the confidence to DIY the project and save yourself some cash. You can retain the OEM pushrods with a little more work by lifting the tank, removing the rocker box cover, loosening the rocker supports enough to slide the pushrods out and reversing the process to finish up.
I have attached a video; adjusting pushrods on a Sporty but the process is the same; lots of videos and I suggest you watch a few before deciding to let a dealer touch your bike. If you buy a set of pushrods, like the HD Tapered Quick Install, you will get everything you need, i.e., pushrods, tubes, clips and o-rings. If you go with S&S, make sure you get a complete set with the shorter lower tubes. Good luck.
https://www.harley-davidson.com/us/e...ods/p/18404-08
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpToaqGGY8Y
So I guess one of the features of adjustable push rods is to be able to reuse them? Is this correct. I don't know if the bike has adjustable push rods or not obviously because I don't have the bike yet but if it does then I would just need lifters correct?
Last edited by gt06; 06-28-2024 at 02:03 PM.
#14
Thanks for the advise. Funny you attached this link because I just watched it last night while at work. The pushrods are the only thing that gives me pause. I don't have the SM ( hell I don't even have the darn bike yet ) but I'm looking to get one. I posted in another thread last night about the crazy price for a hard copy manual on the Bay!
So I guess one of the features of adjustable push rods is to be able to reuse them? Is this correct. I don't know if the bike has adjustable push rods or not obviously because I don't have the bike yet but if it does then I would just need lifters correct?
So I guess one of the features of adjustable push rods is to be able to reuse them? Is this correct. I don't know if the bike has adjustable push rods or not obviously because I don't have the bike yet but if it does then I would just need lifters correct?
If the bike has adjustable push rods, you have the same choices as you would have with the OEM pushrods. You can remove them, make sure not to mix up intake and exhaust which would be the same as cutting out the OEM pushrods. This would require removing the rocker box cover, etc. as described in my previous. Or, popping the tube clip to access the jamb nuts on the adjustable pushrod, loosening them up and removing them, installling new lifters, install and readjust the pushrods.
I could script out a detailed procedure but you need to research until you understand the process. There is plenty of help here (new thread) and DIY videos online.
#15
Members here have purchased digital service manuals for sale on the interweb in .pdf format, taken to a printing place, had them printed and bound. I have hard copies for both my bikes but bought the service and parts manual for about $100. Suggest you start another thread in the General Harley Davidson Chat section, topic "Service Manuals-Where to Buy"; you will get some answers. Sorry I can't help.
If the bike has adjustable push rods, you have the same choices as you would have with the OEM pushrods. You can remove them, make sure not to mix up intake and exhaust which would be the same as cutting out the OEM pushrods. This would require removing the rocker box cover, etc. as described in my previous. Or, popping the tube clip to access the jamb nuts on the adjustable pushrod, loosening them up and removing them, installling new lifters, install and readjust the pushrods.
I could script out a detailed procedure but you need to research until you understand the process. There is plenty of help here (new thread) and DIY videos online.
If the bike has adjustable push rods, you have the same choices as you would have with the OEM pushrods. You can remove them, make sure not to mix up intake and exhaust which would be the same as cutting out the OEM pushrods. This would require removing the rocker box cover, etc. as described in my previous. Or, popping the tube clip to access the jamb nuts on the adjustable pushrod, loosening them up and removing them, installling new lifters, install and readjust the pushrods.
I could script out a detailed procedure but you need to research until you understand the process. There is plenty of help here (new thread) and DIY videos online.
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Dan89FLSTC (07-05-2024)
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#18
I had my lifters replaced on Thursday of last week and aside from one lifter showing the slightest of wear on the roller all was well according to the shop that did it. He replaced the inner Cam bearings as well but said someone must have been in the cam chest at some point he thinks because the bearings were not the original HD bearings but he changed them anyway while he was in there.
#19
I have a 2011 Electraglide CVO with the 110 engine. Awesome bike great engine. I’m at 39k miles and was riding in upper Vt near Jay Peak, started to climb up one of the many mountains up there and heard an irregular intermittent noise from the rocker box front cylinder. I immediately called AAA and had the bike brought back home. Removed the rocker cover, pushrods and lifter blocks and found the intake lifter was scored and had a flat spot.
In doing deeper research on this subject I see that the lifters NEED to be changed on this engine from 2009-2015 models as the high valve spring tension and poorly manufactured lifters are a destructive combo. I thanked the Twin Cam Goddess that I avoided a grenade with a pin half pulled.
In response to your thread, in My experience in all things mechanical, absolutely replace those lifters with an aftermarket set. You will get the longevity out of your bike as we should, considering what the price of bikes are these days. In the view looking forward you will have saved your money and sanity at the same time lol.
In doing deeper research on this subject I see that the lifters NEED to be changed on this engine from 2009-2015 models as the high valve spring tension and poorly manufactured lifters are a destructive combo. I thanked the Twin Cam Goddess that I avoided a grenade with a pin half pulled.
In response to your thread, in My experience in all things mechanical, absolutely replace those lifters with an aftermarket set. You will get the longevity out of your bike as we should, considering what the price of bikes are these days. In the view looking forward you will have saved your money and sanity at the same time lol.
Last edited by JOzz; 08-01-2024 at 06:54 PM.
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