4 speed main drive gear end play
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4 speed main drive gear end play
Howdy,
Rebuilding my 4 speed gearbox, how do you get the proper end play on the main drive gear?
Book calls for .003" -.013".
I have a new main drive gear. The spacer seems to be OK.
I cannt seem to locate different sized thrust washers, only what is a "standard size".
Thanks...
Rebuilding my 4 speed gearbox, how do you get the proper end play on the main drive gear?
Book calls for .003" -.013".
I have a new main drive gear. The spacer seems to be OK.
I cannt seem to locate different sized thrust washers, only what is a "standard size".
Thanks...
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RE: 4 speed main drive gear end play
you gota manual to refer to for setup of the gears? just curious. are all the needle bearing in a cage or race? by any slim chance could you have gotten a shim misplaced withanother gear by chance? or is the main shaft solid....meaning the gear & shaft are one. Or does the gear come off the shaft? I assume its on a 64 duoglide? Ive rebuilt several 4-spd trans on sportys,etc..but havent done a duoglide. I just thought I may have some kind of advice. Have a great day.
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RE: 4 speed main drive gear end play
Thanks for helping...
"you gota manual to refer to for setup of the gears? "
Yes, I have the factory HD manual for 1959-1969. You are correct, it is a 1964 duo-glide.
"just curious. are all the needle bearing in a cage or race? "
There are 44 individual bearings. they fit into the bearing race, placed into position manually. held in place with grease, then you slide the main drive gear with a thrust washer through the bearings and out of the side of the trans. You install the sprocket and then check the end play. I have around .018" and it should be no more than .013"
The only thing that determines the end play is the thickness of the thrust washer. (Unless I'm missing something.) Another possible cause could be wear on the spacer. But there is no apparent wear on it...I may change it to be sure. It's not that expensive...
"could you have gotten a shim misplaced withanother gear by chance?"
No, I deliberately label each piece upon disassembly.
"is the main shaft solid....meaning the gear & shaft are one"
The main shaft/gear are one machined piece.
Thanks for any ideas...
"you gota manual to refer to for setup of the gears? "
Yes, I have the factory HD manual for 1959-1969. You are correct, it is a 1964 duo-glide.
"just curious. are all the needle bearing in a cage or race? "
There are 44 individual bearings. they fit into the bearing race, placed into position manually. held in place with grease, then you slide the main drive gear with a thrust washer through the bearings and out of the side of the trans. You install the sprocket and then check the end play. I have around .018" and it should be no more than .013"
The only thing that determines the end play is the thickness of the thrust washer. (Unless I'm missing something.) Another possible cause could be wear on the spacer. But there is no apparent wear on it...I may change it to be sure. It's not that expensive...
"could you have gotten a shim misplaced withanother gear by chance?"
No, I deliberately label each piece upon disassembly.
"is the main shaft solid....meaning the gear & shaft are one"
The main shaft/gear are one machined piece.
Thanks for any ideas...
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RE: 4 speed main drive gear end play
is the bearing race that the needle bearings fiti nto properly , how should I say this pressed into position/ callapsed. IF its overpressed or to far into the housing it would set tom much end play. I agree try a new thrust washer 1st then try agan. GOODLUCK
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The running fit of the bearing (radial play) between the races and roller is the only thing affected by oversized roller. Example... if your using new Jim’s outer race, and new Andrews main drive gear. The ID of the outer race should measure 1.8802”, and the OD of the Inner race on the MDG should be 1.6290”. 1.8802”-1.6290”=0.2512”. You take this number, subtract your desired running fit (I try to stay as close to 0.0010” as possible.). So 0.2512”-0.0010”=0.2502” you divide this number in half to get the size roller that will give you your desired running fit. 0.2502”/2=0.1251”. So in order to achieve 0.0010” running fit you would need bearings 0.1251”, Standard bearings are 0.1250”, and the next oversized is 0.1254”. So you would go with 0.1250” (standard size) bearings. To check yourself double the bearing size 0.1250”x2=0.2500”, take the 0.2512” you achieved earlier and subtract that number 0.2512”-0.2500”=0.0012”. This would be your running fit using standard bearings with new races.
End play is set up with a shim. Eastern Parts sells these in thicknesses ranging from 0.040”-0.080” in 0.005” increments I believe. They have a common set of 4 different sizes P/N: 35131-SET (for reference). This shim (washer) goes on the main drive gear before any assembly! I suggest using your existing one for measuring purposes. (Do not use more than one shim). Place shim around main drive gear and insert MDG into outer race (which you should already have installed in the transmission case). Then install your 44 rollers in place (use the ones that you will be running to achieve correct running fit, as this can slightly change the end play). Once rollers are in place, install the seal spacer and sprocket. (No need for seals at this point, it all will have to come apart to change the shim). Tighten the left handed nut and set up a dial indicator on the outer face of the sprocket. While slightly turning the sprocket back and fourth, pull out and push in on it. Read your measurement. If it’s within tolerance specifications, simply remove sprocket and install cork ring and oil seal (do not forget seal spacer keeper. This keeps the seal spacer spinning in the seal.). Then re-assemble sprocket. If it is out of spec. Chose how much endplay you’d like from the wide spec. given in the service manual, and the number from you dial indicator, say 0.016”. So if you have a 0.060” shim in place when taking this measurement and you’re shooting for 0.005” endplay simply subtract 0.005” from the 0.016”. 0.016”-0.005”=0.011” then add that number to the thickness of your shim. 0.060”+0.011”=0.071” that is the shim thickness you would need to achieve desired endplay. The closest shim to that being 0.070” would give you a endplay of 0.006”. To change the shim just take the main drive gear back out, interchange the shim with the desired one, then re-assemble.
Sounds like a lot but it’s pretty simply, double check your math and everything will fit just right!
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End play is set up with a shim. Eastern Parts sells these in thicknesses ranging from 0.040”-0.080” in 0.005” increments I believe. They have a common set of 4 different sizes P/N: 35131-SET (for reference). This shim (washer) goes on the main drive gear before any assembly! I suggest using your existing one for measuring purposes. (Do not use more than one shim). Place shim around main drive gear and insert MDG into outer race (which you should already have installed in the transmission case). Then install your 44 rollers in place (use the ones that you will be running to achieve correct running fit, as this can slightly change the end play). Once rollers are in place, install the seal spacer and sprocket. (No need for seals at this point, it all will have to come apart to change the shim). Tighten the left handed nut and set up a dial indicator on the outer face of the sprocket. While slightly turning the sprocket back and fourth, pull out and push in on it. Read your measurement. If it’s within tolerance specifications, simply remove sprocket and install cork ring and oil seal (do not forget seal spacer keeper. This keeps the seal spacer spinning in the seal.). Then re-assemble sprocket. If it is out of spec. Chose how much endplay you’d like from the wide spec. given in the service manual, and the number from you dial indicator, say 0.016”. So if you have a 0.060” shim in place when taking this measurement and you’re shooting for 0.005” endplay simply subtract 0.005” from the 0.016”. 0.016”-0.005”=0.011” then add that number to the thickness of your shim. 0.060”+0.011”=0.071” that is the shim thickness you would need to achieve desired endplay. The closest shim to that being 0.070” would give you a endplay of 0.006”. To change the shim just take the main drive gear back out, interchange the shim with the desired one, then re-assemble.
Sounds like a lot but it’s pretty simply, double check your math and everything will fit just right!
The More You know!
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