Oil Temps?
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ORIGINAL: iclick
...there's no evidence that I've seen that Redline is superior to any of its major competitors, among them Mobil 1, Royal Purple, Amsoil, etc.
ORIGINAL: Lost1
Nothing but Redline in my bikes. A no-brainer for hot running air-cooled engines, IMO...
Nothing but Redline in my bikes. A no-brainer for hot running air-cooled engines, IMO...
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ORIGINAL: twiceretired
WTF? MisterB and Rickxx, would you refresh my memory? When and what did I ever try to sell you, or anyone else for that matter?
WTF? MisterB and Rickxx, would you refresh my memory? When and what did I ever try to sell you, or anyone else for that matter?
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I use drag specialties syn,and my oil normally runs at 200.I also have a hd oil cooler. In Sturgis,outside temp 110* in traffic my oil temp went up to 230. Not hot enough to worry about.
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ORIGINAL: MisterB
Yeah, really. What do you bet this guy is one of those amzoil dealers trolling for customers?
Yeah, really. What do you bet this guy is one of those amzoil dealers trolling for customers?
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ORIGINAL: Lost1
Never said there was...
ORIGINAL: iclick
...there's no evidence that I've seen that Redline is superior to any of its major competitors, among them Mobil 1, Royal Purple, Amsoil, etc.
ORIGINAL: Lost1
Nothing but Redline in my bikes. A no-brainer for hot running air-cooled engines, IMO...
Nothing but Redline in my bikes. A no-brainer for hot running air-cooled engines, IMO...
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ORIGINAL: iclick
The way your two sentences were worded it would seem to translate that using "nothing but Redline" is a "no-brainer." Would that not mean that it is in a class by itself compared to others as a means of cooling hot engines? I assume by your above reply that I misinterpreted your statement, which I accept. No informed person would dispute that Redline is a top-rung product, among other top-rung products on the market.
ORIGINAL: Lost1
Never said there was...
ORIGINAL: iclick
...there's no evidence that I've seen that Redline is superior to any of its major competitors, among them Mobil 1, Royal Purple, Amsoil, etc.
ORIGINAL: Lost1
Nothing but Redline in my bikes. A no-brainer for hot running air-cooled engines, IMO...
Nothing but Redline in my bikes. A no-brainer for hot running air-cooled engines, IMO...
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What I said was:
"Nothing but Redline in my bikes."
A truthful statement that I have no lubricant in my motorcycles other than Redline.
(While I currently have only this brand in my bikes, this is not to say thay I haven't or wouldn't use something else if necessary.)
"A no-brainer for hot running air-cooled engines, IMO..."
Another truthful statement that In My Opinion, the selection of a Group V poly-ester-based lubricant in a hot running air-cooled engine is a "no-brainer," slang for an idea or solution that is arrived at easily, or a course of action that is simple and/or easy to do.
According to chemical engineers, poly-ester-based oils have a distinct advantage over PAO-based oils in a high-heat environment. (This is where the "IMO" came from.)
I formed my opinion that such oils would be an easy selection when choosing a lubricant for my air-cooled engine based on the scientific evidence presented by lubrication experts which, BTW, I am not.
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I agree that Redline is a top-rung product among other top-rung products. Any of the oils listed in this thread will easily take a H-D engine well into old age with little lubricant-based variation. But regardless of brand, to suggest that there there is no difference between a PAO-based oil and a poly-ester based oil in a hot environment is wrong- at least according to the engineering articles I've read over the years.
But no one is perfect, not even engineers. So if someone has evidence that this is incorrect, please post a link to it as I'd be interested in reading it.
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ORIGINAL: Lost1
Must be a slow Sunday if we're arguing semantics...
Must be a slow Sunday if we're arguing semantics...
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"A no-brainer for hot running air-cooled engines, IMO..."
Another truthful statement that In My Opinion, the selection of a Group V poly-ester-based lubricant in a hot running air-cooled engine is a "no-brainer," slang for an idea or solution that is arrived at easily, or a course of action that is simple and/or easy to do.
According to chemical engineers, poly-ester-based oils have a distinct advantage over PAO-based oils in a high-heat environment. (This is where the "IMO" came from.)
I formed my opinion that such oils would be an easy selection when choosing a lubricant for my air-cooled engine based on the scientific evidence presented by lubrication experts which, BTW, I am not.
Another truthful statement that In My Opinion, the selection of a Group V poly-ester-based lubricant in a hot running air-cooled engine is a "no-brainer," slang for an idea or solution that is arrived at easily, or a course of action that is simple and/or easy to do.
According to chemical engineers, poly-ester-based oils have a distinct advantage over PAO-based oils in a high-heat environment. (This is where the "IMO" came from.)
I formed my opinion that such oils would be an easy selection when choosing a lubricant for my air-cooled engine based on the scientific evidence presented by lubrication experts which, BTW, I am not.
I also contend that some formulas may be superior not because of base stock but additives. When you balance it out, who's to say who is superior to whom in any given category? The tests I've seen reflect this.
I agree that Redline is a top-rung product among other top-rung products. Any of the oils listed in this thread will easily take a H-D engine well into old age with little lubricant-based variation. But regardless of brand, to suggest that there there is no difference between a PAO-based oil and a poly-ester based oil in a hot environment is wrong- at least according to the engineering articles I've read over the years.
But no one is perfect, not even engineers. So if someone has evidence that this is incorrect, please post a link to it as I'd be interested in reading it.
But no one is perfect, not even engineers. So if someone has evidence that this is incorrect, please post a link to it as I'd be interested in reading it.
In an MCN oil test in Feb. 2003 (page 22) you'll see that Redline and Castrol Syntec had about the same "Heat Stability/Aging" score, both of which were high, and I don't believe Syntec is a PE-based oil. In fact, it is usually mentioned in the context of being a sub-par performer, which I doubt. In that test, Syntec out-performed Amsoil, which I think is a PE-based oil. In fact, the top 10 on the list showed only a few percentage-points difference between them.
What I like about Redline more than its base stock is the moly content. I'm a firm believer in using moly as an additive, and at least in 2003 Redline contained more than any other of the MCN samples, about 900ppm. It's so high I would think twice about using it in a clutch
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LOL, "Less filling!", "Tastes great!"
Agree about the Redline though. The Class V poly esthers, from everything I've read, are the best choice for heat handling. Maybe overkill in these applications, I don't know but the 20/60 aspect appeals to me too. I know my scoot runs quieter with it an burns NO oil, measurable anyway.
EZ(Yep, bored, hot here too AND no game available right now for us)
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Agree about the Redline though. The Class V poly esthers, from everything I've read, are the best choice for heat handling. Maybe overkill in these applications, I don't know but the 20/60 aspect appeals to me too. I know my scoot runs quieter with it an burns NO oil, measurable anyway.
EZ(Yep, bored, hot here too AND no game available right now for us)
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