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Old 07-02-2018, 11:21 AM
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Default Installation of S&S M8 cam plate & pump

We are installing one of the new M8 cam plate & oil pump kits from S&S Cycle in a 2017 Road Glide. We're taking plenty of pictures and documenting the install. To get started we will post some images of the components we are working with. This is the S&S oil pump & cam plate for 2017-up Oil Cooled M8 engines, part # 310-0998.

Cam plate, assembly lube, and hydraulic tensioner block off plate (for use with gear drive cam)


Oil pump, assembly lube, orings, & hardware


In typical S&S fashion the kit includes comprehensive instructions as well as a complete breakdown of the components including part numbers
 
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Originally Posted by MotoJockey
Could someone be kind enough to explain the "Dual Scavenger" pick up system on this S&S set up that I her about that make it better than the Fueling set up? It's probably apparent to most, but I'm not so familiar with that aspect of these two pumps. TIA.........
The stock pump has two scavenging pickups, one for the cam case and one for the sump in the crankcase. It only has one scavenging gerotor which is the pump pulling on both pickups. So if the cam case gets pumped dry the pump will suck air on that side which can cause it to lose prime on the crankcase side which will result in sumping. Try putting two soda straws in your mouth, one shorter than the other. When the liquid gets below the short straw it will be harder or impossible to suck liquid through the other straw as long as you are pulling through both.

The S&S pump has a gerotor or pump for each pickup which makes it more unlikely the sump side will lose its prime. The money invested in it when doing any upgrades or even if it is your only upgrade is well spent in my opinion.

On the TwinCam they managed to counter this by making the sump pickup longer and smaller which also helped counter the variances in crankcase pressure caused by the pistons going up and down. The M8 just has a big hole on the right case where the oil pump connects. Harley has tried making the oil pump pickup smaller, whether that is working I can't say. Also, that's why if you idle it on the side stand there may be some extra oil collect in the sump. The S&S won't keep that from happening, but it should clear it soon after you stand the bike up straight.
 
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Here are some images of the cam plate

front side of cam plate, note numbers for bolt install & torque sequence


back side of cam plate


note removeable plugs which allow cleaning of plate


cam plate shown with replaceable "wear plate" in place
 
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Very cool! Whats the difference between the water cooled and the oil cooled version?
 
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disassembled oil pump, note cleanable/replacable screen


oil pump, note pressure relief valve
 
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Jamie,

The instructions say to disassemble and clean the oil pump, which I assume includes the oil pressure relief valve. Is there a certain "stock" setting when putting that back together? I had emailed S&S support, but haven't gotten a response.
 
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Jamie,

The instructions say to disassemble and clean the oil pump, which I assume includes the oil pressure relief valve. Is there a certain "stock" setting when putting that back together? I had emailed S&S support, but haven't gotten a response.
The instructions do state to disassemble and clean the new oil pump, we are primarily looking for any debris or chips that may be present. The pump in this example was immaculate. As far as the pressure relief valve we are leaving it in the same state S&S sets them up for this initial install.
 
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In preparation for the oil pump & cam plate we've removed the exhaust system and so we have a little extra room the air cleaner snorkel on this bike


Cam cover removed, engine turned to TDC and dots aligned


Cam chain tensioner, cam chain & sprockets removed
 
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cool stuff..is this to remediate a perceived or identified problem with the OEM pump, or just a customer's request or you guys doing it just for the heck of it to gain experience with these new ones? also, how many miles on the 2017? curious because the chain shoe looks great
 
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cool stuff..is this to remediate a perceived or identified problem with the OEM pump, or just a customer's request or you guys doing it just for the heck of it to gain experience with these new ones? also, how many miles on the 2017? curious because the chain shoe looks great
This is a customers bike that is running our FM 120" kit, looking to use upgraded components. I'll have to check mileage. Motor is together and I will update the thread with more info tomorrow.
 
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Originally Posted by fuelmoto
This is a customers bike that is running our FM 120" kit, looking to use upgraded components. I'll have to check mileage. Motor is together and I will update the thread with more info tomorrow.
What exhaust is this customer running on that 120"?
 


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