Time for the 4th engine in my 2017 CVO Limited... here we go again!
#201
05-30-2018, 05:21 AM
Tourer
#202
05-30-2018, 05:38 AM
Unless you like getting engines replaced, suck it up and put in the fueling or SS oil pump. You shouldn’t have to replace one parts as they are poorly designed and failing, but bike down time and time again is your alternative. At least on the 117’s and possible 114’s.
If they ever ever admit there is an issue, have a case to get your money back from HD.
If they ever ever admit there is an issue, have a case to get your money back from HD.
#203
05-30-2018, 06:29 AM
Club Member
Larger the displacement, larger the pressure variation fer sure.
Boxer motor has way more crankcase volume plus is wet sump so no scavenge pump. (AFAIK).
The motor has one way valves in the breathers. They lower the average pressure in the crankcase and pressure fluctuations as a result.
Boxer motor has way more crankcase volume plus is wet sump so no scavenge pump. (AFAIK).
The motor has one way valves in the breathers. They lower the average pressure in the crankcase and pressure fluctuations as a result.
Interesting thread thats for sure!
#204
05-30-2018, 07:25 AM
Road Captain
#205
05-30-2018, 07:38 AM
Road Master
Unless you like getting engines replaced, suck it up and put in the fueling or SS oil pump. You shouldn’t have to replace one parts as they are poorly designed and failing, but bike down time and time again is your alternative. At least on the 117’s and possible 114’s.
If they ever ever admit there is an issue, have a case to get your money back from HD.
If they ever ever admit there is an issue, have a case to get your money back from HD.
#206
05-30-2018, 08:00 AM
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Yep, the 3rd engine in my 2017 CVO Limited sumped .... again...just like the 2 before it. This 3rd engine was upgraded to Stage IV by my dealer with custom "one off" cylinders/pistons/rings that were specced by the HD Engineering Lab and overnighted to the dealer for installation. For those not following my saga, you can catch up here https://www.hdforums.com/forum/milwa...-it-again.html.
After this 3rd engine sumped a week ago, HD shipped another brand new engine over the weekend to my dealer. This new 4th engine was built at the Pilgrim Road facility and was built as a COMPLETE Stage IV 117 engine before shipment to the dealer. I didn't even know HD would build a factory Stage IV 117. That's a new one. My bike was picked up today by the dealership and will be done in time for me to break it in on my ride to Rolling Thunder in DC. Already checked my insurance policy for towing and rental coverage just in case.
No idea what oil pump is in this engine or any other factory changes/upgrades they have done inside this engine. All I know is that it was "meticulously" built at the factory with the latest components. Externally it looks identical to the 3rd engine which had a 2018 part # case. (Engines #1 & 2 had 2017 case part #s) Of particular interest is the fact that this 4th engine now has a 2019 engine case part #. Yep, that's right.... a 2019 engine case part #.
I think I have officially earned my Harley-Davidson R&D Merit Badge!!
I give the MoCo and my dealership credit for persistence, turn around time and for simply not giving up. Here I go again....wish me luck!
After this 3rd engine sumped a week ago, HD shipped another brand new engine over the weekend to my dealer. This new 4th engine was built at the Pilgrim Road facility and was built as a COMPLETE Stage IV 117 engine before shipment to the dealer. I didn't even know HD would build a factory Stage IV 117. That's a new one. My bike was picked up today by the dealership and will be done in time for me to break it in on my ride to Rolling Thunder in DC. Already checked my insurance policy for towing and rental coverage just in case.
No idea what oil pump is in this engine or any other factory changes/upgrades they have done inside this engine. All I know is that it was "meticulously" built at the factory with the latest components. Externally it looks identical to the 3rd engine which had a 2018 part # case. (Engines #1 & 2 had 2017 case part #s) Of particular interest is the fact that this 4th engine now has a 2019 engine case part #. Yep, that's right.... a 2019 engine case part #.
I think I have officially earned my Harley-Davidson R&D Merit Badge!!
I give the MoCo and my dealership credit for persistence, turn around time and for simply not giving up. Here I go again....wish me luck!
Sheesh, whatta typical MoCo goat-rope. Does your state have a lemon law that includes motorcycles? If so, then I think you've got an airtight case for a buy-back.
Good luck, BTW, sounds like ya need it!
#207
05-30-2018, 08:05 AM
Unless you like getting engines replaced, suck it up and put in the fueling or SS oil pump. You shouldn’t have to replace one parts as they are poorly designed and failing, but bike down time and time again is your alternative. At least on the 117’s and possible 114’s.
If they ever ever admit there is an issue, have a case to get your money back from HD.
If they ever ever admit there is an issue, have a case to get your money back from HD.
Last edited by Heatwave; 05-30-2018 at 09:26 AM.
#208
05-30-2018, 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Heatwave
So let me try to understand your thinking. You would prefer to PAY out of your own pocket for a Feuling or S&S oil pump AND THE LABOR to have it installed. And then void your factory drivetrain warranty. Instead of having HD fulfill their warranty obligations to replace or repair your engine at NO COST to you which keeps your warranty intact for future claims??? I guess I’ll never understand some thinking.
#209
05-30-2018, 11:48 AM
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#210
05-30-2018, 11:54 AM
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