Well now things are getting serious! After the dealer replaced a seal and a sleeve, I rode my bike for less than 200 miles and I’ve had to add in fluid. I extracted about 10 ounces of fluid from the primary! Then less than 50 miles later I had to add another six ounces to the trans. The bike is going to the dealer tomorrow.
Stay tuned!
So I take it your transfer problem is worse now than it was before they operated? It appears the MOCO is wasting a lot of resources replacing seals and sleeves with poor results.
What exactly is right at this point, lol! I just had my Tech drain an extra 8 Oz.'s laced with dye out of my primary today after 1700 mile. I guess that qulifies as more right that what StevenL808 just went through! He's right up there with Steve Cole!
You got that Right, there all over the place, from none to some and then these real bad ones. This issue will be one for the books thats for sure, Right?
So I take it your transfer problem is worse now than it was before they operated? It appears the MOCO is wasting a lot of resources replacing seals and sleeves with poor results.
The seal they replaced was on the crank shaft. This didn’t make sense to me because I wasn’t losing engine oil so why the crank shaft? But what do I know?
So I take it your transfer problem is worse now than it was before they operated? It appears the MOCO is wasting a lot of resources replacing seals and sleeves with poor results.
The seal they replaced was on the crank shaft. This didn’t make sense to me because I wasn’t losing engine oil so why the crank shaft? But what do I know?
I could be wrong here but I will take a stab at this one. I believe the thought process here is the motor is pulling a vacuum on the primary and thus pulling tranny fluid into the primary.
The seal they replaced was on the crank shaft. This didn’t make sense to me because I wasn’t losing engine oil so why the crank shaft? But what do I know?
Originally Posted by Max Headflow
At least they are learning that this fix ain't.
Originally Posted by TomcatCV62
I could be wrong here but I will take a stab at this one. I believe the thought process here is the motor is pulling a vacuum on the primary and thus pulling tranny fluid into the primary.
That is the thought process. I don't know how the MOCO determined that, but seeing that quite a few of the bikes that have had the seal and spacer replaced have either seen no improvement or seen a worsening of the problem I think they need to take a different route. The vacuum apparently causes no problems other than tranferring transmission lubricant. If they were to seal off the transmission and vent the primary they would solve the problem. I know how to do it, but not having the MOCO's resources I'm not sure I'll be able to make it work. That doesn't mean I won't try, just waiting on parts.
That is the thought process. I don't know how the MOCO determined that, but seeing that quite a few of the bikes that have had the seal and spacer replaced have either seen no improvement or seen a worsening of the problem I think they need to take a different route. The vacuum apparently causes no problems other than tranferring transmission lubricant. If they were to seal off the transmission and vent the primary they would solve the problem. I know how to do it, but not having the MOCO's resources I'm not sure I'll be able to make it work. That doesn't mean I won't try, just waiting on parts.
The separate venting of the 2 chambers is not a cost effective solution for the MoCo, besides the obvious part changes they would have to have the bikes re-certified through EPA/CARB which would be costly to them. They would have to perform the shed test all over again. I'm in agreement that this would be the best solution if it's a venting issue. But I would be surprised if HD isn't looking for the cheapest way out of this. They've already put it out that a certain amount of transfer (I believe it is "under 5 oz between normal service intervals" is within tolerance for them. Seams to me like they are already trying to get out of some of the warranty claims. What's next? If they can't get it figured out will they just raise the spec. to 8oz? 10oz?
The separate venting of the 2 chambers is not a cost effective solution for the MoCo, besides the obvious part changes they would have to have the bikes re-certified through EPA/CARB which would be costly to them. They would have to perform the shed test all over again. I'm in agreement that this would be the best solution if it's a venting issue. But I would be surprised if HD isn't looking for the cheapest way out of this. They've already put it out that a certain amount of transfer (I believe it is "under 5 oz between normal service intervals" is within tolerance for them. Seams to me like they are already trying to get out of some of the warranty claims. What's next? If they can't get it figured out will they just raise the spec. to 8oz? 10oz?
I realize that there are circumstances of which I have no knowledge that may hinder some possible fixes. Even though we are talking about venting them separately, they could both be vented to the transmission top cover. I can't imagine that what I am talking about being more expensive than replacing the seal and spacer two or three times and then having to buy back bikes that they have failed to fix. How there can be an acceptable amount of transfer between two cavities that don't necessarily have the same lubricant in them is not something I am willing to accept. My bike will easily transfer more than five ounces between service intervals and would exceed 8 or ten oz. in 5000 miles. I am not sure they can just walk away from this like they did the crankshafts that were out of spec.
10-24-2017, 10:34 PM
