Slip-On without tuner
#51
12-24-2018, 04:47 PM
Intermediate
#52
12-24-2018, 10:38 PM
I see you got the 2019 nice, I really wanted that with the 114 with the new infotainment system, I ended up getting a leftover 2018 Roadglide Ultra due to the fact I got $3000 off MSRP I'm really not someone who likes to speed so the 107 has plenty of get up and go.
Light years better than Stage 2 or 3 twin cams (from my experiences).
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Anthonyfsenior (12-26-2018)
#53
12-26-2018, 04:30 PM
Intermediate
I also had the heated grips installed and they had my hands feeling nice and toasty on the ride home.
#54
12-26-2018, 07:20 PM
Road Warrior
the AFR table is locked. I have seen this dyno chart image MJ has posted several times, and I would love to know what his dealership did to make that AFR line track at 13:1. The AFR table is locked at 14.6:1, except when power enrichment kicks in and or the bike goes into open loop, at which it’s 11.7:1, or super rich. I honestly think MJs dealership used another software to manipulate the AFR table. Per the HD literature the only adjustments are to spark, throttle progressitivity, and VE tables. VE tables when optimized only allow the target value in the AFR table to be achieved, which is either 14.6 or 14.7, or the 11.7 at 80-100% throttle load. The street tuner simply won’t go outside the table values now. Keep in mind that MJs dealership also races bikes, and there’s no way they are tuning with Harley Davidson over the counter EPA locked street tuners. Kudos to MJ, but my only point is don’t expect these results from HD EPA street tuner. I know, I bought one. Waste of $300. You would need a different tuner platform like a power vision or TTS or FP3 where the AFR table is adjustable. Or maybe Techno Research. MJs chart has bothered me on the AFR for over a year now, lol...
#55
12-26-2018, 07:46 PM
Seasoned HDF Member
the AFR table is locked. I have seen this dyno chart image MJ has posted several times, and I would love to know what his dealership did to make that AFR line track at 13:1. The AFR table is locked at 14.6:1, except when power enrichment kicks in and or the bike goes into open loop, at which it’s 11.7:1, or super rich. I honestly think MJs dealership used another software to manipulate the AFR table. Per the HD literature the only adjustments are to spark, throttle progressitivity, and VE tables. VE tables when optimized only allow the target value in the AFR table to be achieved, which is either 14.6 or 14.7, or the 11.7 at 80-100% throttle load. The street tuner simply won’t go outside the table values now. Keep in mind that MJs dealership also races bikes, and there’s no way they are tuning with Harley Davidson over the counter EPA locked street tuners. Kudos to MJ, but my only point is don’t expect these results from HD EPA street tuner. I know, I bought one. Waste of $300. You would need a different tuner platform like a power vision or TTS or FP3 where the AFR table is adjustable. Or maybe Techno Research. MJs chart has bothered me on the AFR for over a year now, lol...
#56
12-26-2018, 08:12 PM
Road Warrior
and when you look at the baseline run in Red, which was just the SEPST Stage 1 ECM calibration that I has been running it's ~12.1, does the AFR Source: Dynoware RT WB offer any clues? asking because I have no idea what it means..is WB refer to wideband in this context, and if so how does that play into stock head pipes and O2s..got me curious enough now I will probably ask them next time I'm down there
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mjwebb (12-26-2018)
#57
12-26-2018, 08:18 PM
Road Warrior
and when you look at the baseline run in Red, which was just the SEPST Stage 1 ECM calibration that I has been running it's ~12.1, does the AFR Source: Dynoware RT WB offer any clues? asking because I have no idea what it means..is WB refer to wideband in this context, and if so how does that play into stock head pipes and O2s..got me curious enough now I will probably ask them next time I'm down there
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mjwebb (12-26-2018)
#58
12-26-2018, 09:52 PM
Seasoned HDF Member
ok, so apologize for playing 20 questions and definitely need to have a discussion with our service experts..but regarding AFR being locked due to EPA restrictions..the SE ATM that works in conjunction with the SEPST has this say and guess I'm not understanding SE tuning component ability to make AFR adjustments..is it not implying it can alter AFR?..guess what I'm trying to ask is if indeed this EPA compliant device is in fact allowed to alter AFR then why couldn't a skilled dyno technician be able to manipulate that?
http://www.boardtrackerharleyonline....ed/2018_SE.pdf
page 7 explains and illustrates that it can alter parameters in both closed and open loop
Smart Tune Pro works with the Screamin' Eagle® Pro Street Tuner to automatically tune your bike for the combination of performance components, temperatures, altitude, and vehicle load conditions you are operating in. You just install the upgraded wideband oxygen sensors in the exhaust headers, download the calibration that our Screamin' Eagle® engineers have developed as a starting point, then simply drive down the road and let Smart Tune Pro do the work for you.
Throttle Position (%)
PART-THROTTLE CRUISING RANGE
FULL-THROTTLE ACCELERATION RANGE
COMPLETE MOTORCYCLE OPERATING RANGE
Pro Street Tuner Base Calibration + Smart Tune Pro + Wideband O2 Sensors automatically monitor and adjust the engine in real time for all performance upgrades, operating ranges and riding conditions
http://www.boardtrackerharleyonline....ed/2018_SE.pdf
page 7 explains and illustrates that it can alter parameters in both closed and open loop
Smart Tune Pro works with the Screamin' Eagle® Pro Street Tuner to automatically tune your bike for the combination of performance components, temperatures, altitude, and vehicle load conditions you are operating in. You just install the upgraded wideband oxygen sensors in the exhaust headers, download the calibration that our Screamin' Eagle® engineers have developed as a starting point, then simply drive down the road and let Smart Tune Pro do the work for you.
- Constantly monitors the operating parameters of your motorcycle, and automatically adjusts the bike's Electronic Control Module (ECM) to maximize performance in most riding conditions
- Utilizes wideband O2 sensors that read oxygen levels in the exhaust stream to determine the optimum air/fuel ratio, spark advance and timing your bike needs at this very moment
- Incorporates the data and automatically makes real-time tuning adjustments to the ECM
- Wideband sensors can read and help adjust tuning throughout the part throttle cruising and full-throttle acceleration operating range
- Kit includes the Smart Tune Pro module with plug-in wiring harness, two M18 wideband O2 sensors, and access to free software updates, future calibrations and free on-line training modules
Throttle Position (%)
PART-THROTTLE CRUISING RANGE
FULL-THROTTLE ACCELERATION RANGE
COMPLETE MOTORCYCLE OPERATING RANGE
Pro Street Tuner Base Calibration + Smart Tune Pro + Wideband O2 Sensors automatically monitor and adjust the engine in real time for all performance upgrades, operating ranges and riding conditions
Last edited by mjwebb; 12-26-2018 at 10:17 PM.
#59
12-26-2018, 10:30 PM
Road Warrior
ok, so apologize for playing 20 questions and definitely need to have a discussion with our service experts..but regarding AFR being locked due to EPA restrictions..the SE ATM that works in conjunction with the SEPST has this say and guess I'm not understanding SE tuning component ability to make AFR adjustments..is it not implying it can alter AFR?..guess what I'm trying to ask is if indeed this EPA compliant device is in fact allowed to alter AFR then why couldn't a skilled dyno technician be able to manipulate that?
http://www.boardtrackerharleyonline....ed/2018_SE.pdf
page 7 explains and illustrates that it can alter parameters in both closed and open loop
Smart Tune Pro works with the Screamin' Eagle® Pro Street Tuner to automatically tune your bike for the combination of performance components, temperatures, altitude, and vehicle load conditions you are operating in. You just install the upgraded wideband oxygen sensors in the exhaust headers, download the calibration that our Screamin' Eagle® engineers have developed as a starting point, then simply drive down the road and let Smart Tune Pro do the work for you.
Throttle Position (%)
PART-THROTTLE CRUISING RANGE
FULL-THROTTLE ACCELERATION RANGE
COMPLETE MOTORCYCLE OPERATING RANGE
Pro Street Tuner Base Calibration + Smart Tune Pro + Wideband O2 Sensors automatically monitor and adjust the engine in real time for all performance upgrades, operating ranges and riding conditions
http://www.boardtrackerharleyonline....ed/2018_SE.pdf
page 7 explains and illustrates that it can alter parameters in both closed and open loop
Smart Tune Pro works with the Screamin' Eagle® Pro Street Tuner to automatically tune your bike for the combination of performance components, temperatures, altitude, and vehicle load conditions you are operating in. You just install the upgraded wideband oxygen sensors in the exhaust headers, download the calibration that our Screamin' Eagle® engineers have developed as a starting point, then simply drive down the road and let Smart Tune Pro do the work for you.
- Constantly monitors the operating parameters of your motorcycle, and automatically adjusts the bike's Electronic Control Module (ECM) to maximize performance in most riding conditions
- Utilizes wideband O2 sensors that read oxygen levels in the exhaust stream to determine the optimum air/fuel ratio, spark advance and timing your bike needs at this very moment
- Incorporates the data and automatically makes real-time tuning adjustments to the ECM
- Wideband sensors can read and help adjust tuning throughout the part throttle cruising and full-throttle acceleration operating range
- Kit includes the Smart Tune Pro module with plug-in wiring harness, two M18 wideband O2 sensors, and access to free software updates, future calibrations and free on-line training modules
Throttle Position (%)
PART-THROTTLE CRUISING RANGE
FULL-THROTTLE ACCELERATION RANGE
COMPLETE MOTORCYCLE OPERATING RANGE
Pro Street Tuner Base Calibration + Smart Tune Pro + Wideband O2 Sensors automatically monitor and adjust the engine in real time for all performance upgrades, operating ranges and riding conditions
#60
12-26-2018, 10:53 PM
Seasoned HDF Member
Thanks, just hoping to understand some of this before having a discussion with the pros at my dealership as to not waste their time teaching a doughball like myself the basics, but doesn’t have to be a technical discussion rather just ask how the AFR was achieved with the SEPST. Our SM manager has told me they are not allowed to and won’t use non compliant tuners on bikes that are compliant, that the fines are extremely steep and consequences severe
Last edited by mjwebb; 12-26-2018 at 11:06 PM.
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