who's been having to add transmission fluid?
#2421
12-10-2017, 02:38 PM
HDF Community Team
Well, after going to the dealer yesterday and explaining the problem, they took it back to the service bay (after the bike set for an hour), kept it for about 5 minutes and brought it back out. "Done". Rode 50 miles home, got up this morning, checked the tranny fluid level and it was right where it was yesterday morning. Hmmm, looks like they didn't add any fluid, or else this is really transferring fast. Took it back this morning and the tech said the level at the "A" line is where it should be on a cold morning. The manual says check it at "ambient" temperature which I understand to be when the engine is cold. The tech says "ambient" refers to room temperature. So apparently my reading on a cold engine on a 30 deg morning is invalid. So, he cranked it up and ran it for 5 minutes and checked it again. Still reading at the "A" line. He then added 3 oz and we'll check it again next week at the 1k service. They did put dye in it so we'll know if any transfer is taking place or if it was just never filled completely when they prepped the bike for delivery.
At any rate, what is the correct definition of "ambient temperature?" Should the bike be run for a few minutes on a cold morning before checking?
At any rate, what is the correct definition of "ambient temperature?" Should the bike be run for a few minutes on a cold morning before checking?
#2422
12-10-2017, 03:01 PM
Club Member
The seal requires quite a bit of machine work and I am not a machinist. I think it will also require the surface the seal is running on to be hardened and I’m not sure what that will cost. All told I can see being out at least $300 to get it to a place where it can be installed.
#2423
12-10-2017, 03:19 PM
I know I‘m repeating myself but even my dealer told me that the 14 cvo clutch pushrod is a solution but harley doesn‘t make this official. I think it‘s because of the costs. Until today I haven‘t heared of any transfer from bikes with this mod. I wonder why nobody wants to try it in the USA?
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#2424
12-10-2017, 03:57 PM
Club Member
I know I‘m repeating myself but even my dealer told me that the 14 cvo clutch pushrod is a solution but harley doesn‘t make this official. I think it‘s because of the costs. Until today I haven‘t heared of any transfer from bikes with this mod. I wonder why nobody wants to try it in the USA?
I don’t think it is the cost. The things they are trying cost way more than that push rod and some are more labor intensive.
Last edited by $tonecold; 12-10-2017 at 03:59 PM.
#2425
12-10-2017, 04:10 PM
Road Warrior
Because it’s not a solution that is being offered by the dealers or the MOCO here. They are wanting a warranty fix, if they do it without the MOCO’s blessing their warranty will be voided. Someone like Psyshack could try it, his warranty is already void.
I don’t think it is the cost. The things they are trying cost way more than that push rod and some are more labor intensive.
I don’t think it is the cost. The things they are trying cost way more than that push rod and some are more labor intensive.
#2427
12-10-2017, 08:31 PM
#2428
12-10-2017, 08:37 PM
Road Warrior
#2429
12-10-2017, 10:32 PM
Well, after going to the dealer yesterday and explaining the problem, they took it back to the service bay (after the bike set for an hour), kept it for about 5 minutes and brought it back out. "Done". Rode 50 miles home, got up this morning, checked the tranny fluid level and it was right where it was yesterday morning. Hmmm, looks like they didn't add any fluid, or else this is really transferring fast. Took it back this morning and the tech said the level at the "A" line is where it should be on a cold morning. The manual says check it at "ambient" temperature which I understand to be when the engine is cold. The tech says "ambient" refers to room temperature. So apparently my reading on a cold engine on a 30 deg morning is invalid. So, he cranked it up and ran it for 5 minutes and checked it again. Still reading at the "A" line. He then added 3 oz and we'll check it again next week at the 1k service. They did put dye in it so we'll know if any transfer is taking place or if it was just never filled completely when they prepped the bike for delivery.
At any rate, what is the correct definition of "ambient temperature?" Should the bike be run for a few minutes on a cold morning before checking?
At any rate, what is the correct definition of "ambient temperature?" Should the bike be run for a few minutes on a cold morning before checking?
As a ballpark reference, the difference in the oil level on the dipstick at a 70 deg. F ambient (oil and case temp) vs. the oil level on the dipstick at a 200 deg F operating temp (again, oil and case temp) will be approximately 1/8" or half the distance from the add to full marks.
Another ballpark reference, from the add to full marks on the dipstick is approximately 3-4 oz.
As for the oil level being correct at the add mark on a cold morning, i.e., 30 deg F, I'd say that's a bit of a stretch. I would expect the level to be somewhere in the neighborhood of the upper 25% range between the add and full marks.
And finally, the dealer comment regarding the ambient air temperature making a difference, that is totally BS. It's the temperature of the oil and the cases that will affect the oil level. Air temperature is completely irrelevant except as it affects the oil and case temperature.
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#2430
12-11-2017, 12:08 AM
Road Captain
Why not listen!
I know I‘m repeating myself but even my dealer told me that the 14 cvo clutch pushrod is a solution but harley doesn‘t make this official. I think it‘s because of the costs. Until today I haven‘t heared of any transfer from bikes with this mod. I wonder why nobody wants to try it in the USA?
I just can't believe that after all the thousands of complaints an disinformation out there.This instant and permanent solution is discarded on warranty fears!
All I can think is that some people just like to be the victim and bitch about it.
Tell me this,if it works who would ever find out about it?Which Dealer would be so **** to cancel your warranty over a rod implant which seems to solve a problem they make useless bulletins about.If they did I would sue their **** and use this forum as evidence of their neglect!