Originally Posted by misfitJason

can anyone guide me in how to lean up my sartup enrichement? My afr upon start up drops to about 10.6 to 1 and it is almost stalling. I am breaking in the new motor right now and am running a accurate base map and it runs great except for my startup enrichement. I have not been able to autotune due to my break in. I am wondering if after I dial in my VE's if it will help this situation

Originally Posted by ke5rbd

You can reduce the Warmup enrichment under the fuel tab from top to bottom by subtracting 0.3. The VE's should be around 62 to 65 in the first 9 blocks in the top left corner of both Front and Rear. That is the first 3 rows and 3 columns. You can also just reduce the current numbers by 5.
If it is still too rich reduce them another 5 points at a time until it is running ok at idle. If you get it too low it will idle too fast and hesitate and or pop when you try to accelerate from idle. You can also reduce this straight from the quicktune screen without using the computer. If you don't have quicktune you need to update your firmware using the Update Client.
The autotune also tries to reduce the off idle response a little too much when using it on cams. At least it always has for me.
You can also reduce the cranking fuel with cams 1 full point from top to bottom and will help with the starting especially when warmed up they tend to flood easily some times.

Originally Posted by misfitJason

My ve's in the first three columns are about 85 on rear cyl and 80 on front cylinder before I lowered them and smoothed
I reduced my warmup enrichment by 0.3 like you said and theN lowered them by 5 and smoothed. I will try and start the bike tomorrow and see if that makes a difference.

Originally Posted by 04ctd

I was thinking some new maps from FM or DJ might have a bit more tweaking from experience gained, so I downloaded a new map from the DJ PV site:


15T103002402 Year:2014-2015 Model: Touring - Twin Cooled Stage 1 air cleaner Fuel Moto Jackpot 2/1/2 head pipe Rinehart slip ons -

loaded it into "compare" with my last Autotune.

why would the new map have 0.0 in all the VE (TPS Based/front cyl) & rear cylinder blocks? that kind of surprised me, and
The TPS is not used and only Map is used. This is very common. You can populate the TPS and change the VE table selection to 0 and it will use the TPS VE table AFTER you populate it.

why would the EITMS be set to 581 degrees Fahrenheit?
This is Twin Cooled map and Twin Cooled use ambient temps above 80 F I think to activate the EITMS.

and in the VE (map based/front cyl) table, there is a LARGE lump in the low RPM range, where my autotune is much smoother.
The large lump is the idle area. The reason the area around it is larger is to improve the off idle response. If you raise the area to match the off idle area the idle will be too rich. In the same token if you let the autotune lower the VE numbers around idle area it will cause less throttle response when you take off mostly in 1st gear. I generally leave the off idle area about 2 to 5% larger than idle VE which is in the 30 to 35 Kpa and 1000 rpm area on the Map based VE's and in the 1-3-5 Throttle position on the TPS map.

morale of this story: always inspect a free canned tune..they may be worth what you paid.
The 2010 thru 2013 Touring all used MAP Kpa for the VE tables. The 14 up touring can use either. SEPST uses TPS only. To me it is harder to get TPS working just right. The MAP is much more forgiving. I like using the TPS better as when you get it working right it is more responsive to me as you can control which VE cell it uses at a given Throttle position better than with the MAP based VE table. If you move the throttle real quick to say 1/2 open the Map based table will jump all the way to 100% load and use that VE cell set, whereas the TPS will use what ever is in the 50% throttle position which is usually a little leaner and will react better. Just my personal preference.

i think I will stick with my autotune as the basis for further tuning now that cold weather is here.

however, is there a way to cut & paste the timing table out of the Canned Tune into my Autotune? i tried the cut & paste buttons while in compare, would not work.
edit: had to open the DJ tune, copy it, close the DJ tune, open my tune, then paste in the timing tables.
You can highlight and copy from the compare table, but can't cut or paste to it. You can only change a value in the Active File table.

2nd edit: some firmware updates available for the PV, just happened to check and there was 2 there.

Originally Posted by 04ctd

I was thinking some new maps from FM or DJ might have a bit more tweaking from experience gained, so I downloaded a new map from the DJ PV site:


15T103002402 Year:2014-2015 Model: Touring - Twin Cooled Stage 1 air cleaner Fuel Moto Jackpot 2/1/2 head pipe Rinehart slip ons -

loaded it into "compare" with my last Autotune.

why would the new map have 0.0 in all the VE (TPS Based/front cyl) & rear cylinder blocks? that kind of surprised me, and

why would the EITMS be set to 581 degrees Fahrenheit?

and in the VE (map based/front cyl) table, there is a LARGE lump in the low RPM range, where my autotune is much smoother.

morale of this story: always inspect a free canned tune..they may be worth what you paid.


i think I will stick with my autotune as the basis for further tuning now that cold weather is here.

however, is there a way to cut & paste the timing table out of the Canned Tune into my Autotune? i tried the cut & paste buttons while in compare, would not work.
edit: had to open the DJ tune, copy it, close the DJ tune, open my tune, then paste in the timing tables.

2nd edit: some firmware updates available for the PV, just happened to check and there was 2 there.