Power Vision Information Thread
#4952
I think it's going to be a gas hog running that rich. I'm willing to bet you'll lose 5 MPG with those AFR's. If it's a barhopper and you dont care about mileage then it's fine. If your VE's are good to go you might want to make a leaner tune for the freeway. Store them both and reflash when needed. Or, if you find the rich tune you have to be sucking down the gas just go into the RPM and kPa areas that are your normal cruise areas and lean them out a bit.
One thing to remember is 13.8 may feel great on one bike and make another bike a little on the soft side. Richer isn't always better. Each bike, depending on the build, will have it's own happy spot. So, if someone says they run 13.8 and his bike runs great it doesn't mean every bike will run great at 13.8. I find 14.2 to be a pretty decent compromise for MPG and overall driveability. But, that might not be the "just right" AFR for another bike. Running 13.8, especially in the low load / low RPM / cruise areas, won't get you much. It won't hurt anything, but I don't think you'll gain anything either.
In the end all that matters is if you're happy with the way it performs. Try out different combinations and eventually you'll find the right one for your bike and riding style.
One thing to remember is 13.8 may feel great on one bike and make another bike a little on the soft side. Richer isn't always better. Each bike, depending on the build, will have it's own happy spot. So, if someone says they run 13.8 and his bike runs great it doesn't mean every bike will run great at 13.8. I find 14.2 to be a pretty decent compromise for MPG and overall driveability. But, that might not be the "just right" AFR for another bike. Running 13.8, especially in the low load / low RPM / cruise areas, won't get you much. It won't hurt anything, but I don't think you'll gain anything either.
In the end all that matters is if you're happy with the way it performs. Try out different combinations and eventually you'll find the right one for your bike and riding style.
#4953
The big problem I have with the PV, SERT, and TTS is that they lock via software to one bike. That is total BS and is only done to get the public and dealers to purchase a unit for every bike. It is done to make the manufacturer money. This is particularly true with the SERT, TTS, and now the PV. It would only take one of these manufacturers to stop that **** and the others would follow. What do you do if your ECM takes a dump and has to be replaced? Guess what, you have to buy another tuner. The best deal out there is still the PCV which it tunable via a dyno for max power yet you can pull it off and take it with you when you change bikes.
The companies that write the software packages to tune today’s high performance modified cars do not pull crap. They do charge tuners a license fee but they can tune as many cars their little heart desires with a single copy
The companies that write the software packages to tune today’s high performance modified cars do not pull crap. They do charge tuners a license fee but they can tune as many cars their little heart desires with a single copy
#4954
Yes the 13.9 tune my provide slightly more bottom end torque, but not much.. hardly perceptible..(could be the margin of error built into the butt dyno) and the 14.2 tune seems to just make the engine slighty "happier", meaning smoother running, less knock per the knock sensor guages (very few and you can't hear them) and the same level of engine temps.
So I'm sticking with the 14.2 tune for now. I may do a few more Auto Tunes, to bring it in even more, and then apply the 14.2 AFR and 720 CLB to that, but I am really liking the way the bike is currently running. Much stronger and smoother than my previous PCIII tune. My buddy who has an identical 07 ECG except he runs true-duals and has 100K miles, says my bike sounds like a different engine than his, with more compression and pop, he describes it as "tight". I run the Supertrapp SEs. (same as the Screaming Eagle HD slip-ons with no true-dual set-up and I swear that makes a difference.)
Yesterday all day ride in 95'F heat up into new Hampshire.. oil temp never got above 215'F and engine temp ran most of the day around 235'F per the PowerVision ET reading, up to 255'F in stop and go traffic in LeBanon NH. ...and this bikes feels very strong powerwise.
I am really at this point very pleased with what the PV is doing for my bike. Even though it took a while to get here. of course now that I have this thing, there is a natural tendency to keep on tinkering.. that will be tough to resist. But, I want to get some of the "doo-dads" off my handlebars. Between the PV and the Garmin, I am looking like "command Central" up there.
Last edited by oldhippie; 07-06-2013 at 04:53 PM.
#4955
I have also settled on a 14.2 based AFR table. I think I've got this part right as my lambda calc does not have CLB it has a CLLR,Closed Loop Lambda Range. I've set the high at .990 and low at .960 ,This is still within the range of the NB sensors correct?
I was also wondering about Quick Tune being temporary. Does it return to your regular tune on the next key on? or stick untill you reflash?
I havn't had much seat time lately with all the rain and a throttle problem (covered that nightmare in another thread) I'm still trying to tune out the vibration in my footboards by pulling timing between 2k-3k rpm. Log Tune is pulling very small amounts here and there like .013*-.050*but not in my problem area so I've used Quick Tune to pull as much as 4* from low and mid range without much improvement except when my ET is over 250*f, which is where Spark Adjust by Head Temp kicks in,If I'm reading that table right. from 60-100 map(kpa) from 1.5* to 2.5* which is where I start to get a bit confused, If I pull 5* next time that table is still there pulling more. should I continue as if it wasn't there. or should I manually pull some from the areas I'm feeling the vibes? If I do that my table wont flow very smooth.Am I making any sense?
I was also wondering about Quick Tune being temporary. Does it return to your regular tune on the next key on? or stick untill you reflash?
I havn't had much seat time lately with all the rain and a throttle problem (covered that nightmare in another thread) I'm still trying to tune out the vibration in my footboards by pulling timing between 2k-3k rpm. Log Tune is pulling very small amounts here and there like .013*-.050*but not in my problem area so I've used Quick Tune to pull as much as 4* from low and mid range without much improvement except when my ET is over 250*f, which is where Spark Adjust by Head Temp kicks in,If I'm reading that table right. from 60-100 map(kpa) from 1.5* to 2.5* which is where I start to get a bit confused, If I pull 5* next time that table is still there pulling more. should I continue as if it wasn't there. or should I manually pull some from the areas I'm feeling the vibes? If I do that my table wont flow very smooth.Am I making any sense?
#4956
In the world of photography, which are really just microprocessors with a lens and sensor attached to them, all the popular cameras have "Magic Lantern Guides" that you can buy as an aftermarket extra to get the most out of your specific camera for the thousands of various setting combinations and types of photos you might want to take.
These aftermarket books are exactly what the PowerVision product is begging for. Get a few of the "brains" together, and address all of the various common scenarios and I'll bet a book like that would sell like hotcakes.
Add a CD/DVD to the mix to provide some YouTube examples and actual "how to" movies for the beginner through to serious tuner and you would have something that could provide you some pretty $weet income.
Want to build on this idea.. do one for HD TwinCams, another for some of the popular sport bikes, some of the various cars. Dynojet makes these tuners for lot's of platforms.
I'll bet we could product manage and field test this whole development project without leaving our living rooms.
It's pretty clear to me that Dynojet and the FMs of the world have their hands full just doing maintenance upgrades to keep up with competition and market demand. Talking to the Dynojet guys recently it sounded like the company is getting smaller, not larger, as people don't have the discretionary income they once had.
These aftermarket books are exactly what the PowerVision product is begging for. Get a few of the "brains" together, and address all of the various common scenarios and I'll bet a book like that would sell like hotcakes.
Add a CD/DVD to the mix to provide some YouTube examples and actual "how to" movies for the beginner through to serious tuner and you would have something that could provide you some pretty $weet income.
Want to build on this idea.. do one for HD TwinCams, another for some of the popular sport bikes, some of the various cars. Dynojet makes these tuners for lot's of platforms.
I'll bet we could product manage and field test this whole development project without leaving our living rooms.
It's pretty clear to me that Dynojet and the FMs of the world have their hands full just doing maintenance upgrades to keep up with competition and market demand. Talking to the Dynojet guys recently it sounded like the company is getting smaller, not larger, as people don't have the discretionary income they once had.
#4957
After getting my VEs set properly and trying both the 13.9 AFR tune and the 14.2 AFR tune that Dynojet did for me, both with a CLB of 720, I've decided that the 14.2 tune is my preference.
Yes the 13.9 tune my provide slightly more bottom end torque, but not much.. hardly perceptible..(could be the margin of error built into the butt dyno) and the 14.2 tune seems to just make the engine slighty "happier", meaning smoother running, less knock per the knock sensor guages (very few and you can't hear them) and the same level of engine temps.
So I'm sticking with the 14.2 tune for now. I may do a few more Auto Tunes, to bring it in even more, and then apply the 14.2 AFR and 720 CLB to that, but I am really liking the way the bike is currently running. Much stronger and smoother than my previous PCIII tune. My buddy who has an identical 07 ECG except he runs true-duals and has 100K miles, says my bike sounds like a different engine than his, with more compression and pop, he describes it as "tight". I run the Supertrapp SEs. (same as the Screaming Eagle HD slip-ons with no true-dual set-up and I swear that makes a difference.)
Yesterday all day ride in 95'F heat up into new Hampshire.. oil temp never got above 215'F and engine temp ran most of the day around 235'F per the PowerVision ET reading, up to 255'F in stop and go traffic in LeBanon NH. ...and this bikes feels very strong powerwise.
I am really at this point very pleased with what the PV is doing for my bike. Even though it took a while to get here. of course now that I have this thing, there is a natural tendency to keep on tinkering.. that will be tough to resist. But, I want to get some of the "doo-dads" off my handlebars. Between the PV and the Garmin, I am looking like "command Central" up there.
Yes the 13.9 tune my provide slightly more bottom end torque, but not much.. hardly perceptible..(could be the margin of error built into the butt dyno) and the 14.2 tune seems to just make the engine slighty "happier", meaning smoother running, less knock per the knock sensor guages (very few and you can't hear them) and the same level of engine temps.
So I'm sticking with the 14.2 tune for now. I may do a few more Auto Tunes, to bring it in even more, and then apply the 14.2 AFR and 720 CLB to that, but I am really liking the way the bike is currently running. Much stronger and smoother than my previous PCIII tune. My buddy who has an identical 07 ECG except he runs true-duals and has 100K miles, says my bike sounds like a different engine than his, with more compression and pop, he describes it as "tight". I run the Supertrapp SEs. (same as the Screaming Eagle HD slip-ons with no true-dual set-up and I swear that makes a difference.)
Yesterday all day ride in 95'F heat up into new Hampshire.. oil temp never got above 215'F and engine temp ran most of the day around 235'F per the PowerVision ET reading, up to 255'F in stop and go traffic in LeBanon NH. ...and this bikes feels very strong powerwise.
I am really at this point very pleased with what the PV is doing for my bike. Even though it took a while to get here. of course now that I have this thing, there is a natural tendency to keep on tinkering.. that will be tough to resist. But, I want to get some of the "doo-dads" off my handlebars. Between the PV and the Garmin, I am looking like "command Central" up there.
I dont even have it in the bike anymore. It is boxed up and in the house. Bike runs good so my desire to tinker with this nice weather is not there.
#4958
[quote=Smokey Stover;11494553]I have also settled on a 14.2 based AFR table. I think I've got this part right as my lambda calc does not have CLB it has a CLLR,Closed Loop Lambda Range. I've set the high at .990 and low at .960 ,This is still within the range of the NB sensors correct?
I was also wondering about Quick Tune being temporary. Does it return to your regular tune on the next key on? or stick untill you reflash?
Smokey....as far as i know quick tune alters the tune on a perminant basis. At least that is how it reads to me from dynojets manual;untill you flash a tune over it the quick tune changes are now part of the map that is running in the ECM. So if you were to get tune from your ECM after making changes with quick tune....and do a compare with the same map before using quicktune....there will be changes.
I was also wondering about Quick Tune being temporary. Does it return to your regular tune on the next key on? or stick untill you reflash?
Smokey....as far as i know quick tune alters the tune on a perminant basis. At least that is how it reads to me from dynojets manual;untill you flash a tune over it the quick tune changes are now part of the map that is running in the ECM. So if you were to get tune from your ECM after making changes with quick tune....and do a compare with the same map before using quicktune....there will be changes.
#4959
#4960
the quick tune adjustments are applied to the tune in your ecm until you undo them through quick tune or flash a new tune to the ecm.
like boston chris said, if i want to see the changes i made through quick tune i simply load copy of current to the pv and go from there.....very helpful
like boston chris said, if i want to see the changes i made through quick tune i simply load copy of current to the pv and go from there.....very helpful