Sounds like a plan hippie. yes AT has a setting...Max Spark learn. It is set to 0 by default.If you change it to 5, it will retard timing up to 5 deg. I have seen on another forum that people were going into there spark tables and advancing the timing 4 deg. Then using the AT to spark learn because AT does retard the timing 4 deg.

Whne i said i tossed fuel at mine in the area i got ping ( during the 95 deg days ) i should have said i took my table from 14.2 down to 14.0. i did this until i can recreate the condition. that has been the only time i have gotten any ping that i could hear. i did run logs previously and had 0 knock retard. So... i need to try to recreate the condition i had it and run logs and i will manually correct it from there. i have no issues with letting LT or AT move it around i would just rather do it myself from logs.

I have always agreeded with people that say a stage one turns out just fine with PV. I also have a friend that has a 96in. with reinhart 2 into 1 and se 255 cams. he used AT and had good results. So im on the fence with if it is ok or not for stage 2. So far so good for him. i bet he will develop a ping or 2 like i did in hot weather. but if he doesnt....more power to him.

if the rain breaks we will have to get out for a ride together.

 

Hippie.... help me out here man.... the second table is supose to be a 14.2 A/F table correct? maybe my eyes are not working today but i see 14.6 in the cells?????

 

Boston quote. i have added some fuel in the areas i have guesstimated it happened in as i was not running a log at the time it happened.


You said it yourself........ Your good to go then.

I am sorry you don't understand as it it NOT same pending how you use it. what I am trying to explain with log tuner and I admit I am not good at communications. The part I am not getting across is about the 14.6, You do not need your 14.6/.981 to do timing...... I need not talk with dynojet because I have and I know. I have read this thread for a long time but will no longer its been full circle for while. AT took a step backwards on timing. But it was right in their grasp to have had something cool with it and as long as they do not dog off LT I can live with it.

 

what would be considered good PE mode settings and why?

 

Sam... Im still not getting it i guess.... Here is how i understand it and anyone that can correct my thinking feel free.... if there is a way other than with wide band sensors or manual adjustments for timing, to be able to use greater than 14.6 to 1 i have not heard of that method. Would like to know more about that method.

As i understand it....AT sets everything on the A/F table to 14.6 to 1. This is so the narrow band sensors can get a reading. So.... if trying to use AT to adjust timing you would still be in a closed loop state with A/F tables set to 14.6 to 1.

Do you need to have your A/F table set to 14.6 to 1 to be able to adjust timing? If using AT then my answer is yes because you have no choice. AT does it for you and as far as i know we can not change it. With LT i think you also have to set the A/F table to the closed loop state. if you dont it will not work correctly either unless you are using wide band sensors. i also agree AT went backwards on trying to correct timing. Doesnt make sense to retard timing 4 deg and correct knock retard. In most cases i would think that retarded timing of 4 deg would never have knock retard.

As for me saying i guesstimated you are correct. but i did not guess on timing adjustments. i never adjusted timing. i want to make sure i have an understanding of timing before i adjust it. That is why i tossed fuel at the area. Much easier in my mind to do that till i have a good understanding of how timing will effect my bike.

I also dont explain things well so im right with ya on that. Its all good.

The thread comming full circle has been happening for a long time. If we read from start to fininsh the same questions keep poping up. I agree with you. It has made a full circle more than once in my opnion.

 

Boston Chris

I think what he is trying to say is you can do runs (Non AT) and log them. Then us the LT to have it make adjustments to the timing( remove timing if necessary)

 

Got it. that i understand.

 

I did a log that showed a few pullbacks of 2*. I ran it through log tuner and it removed 1/2 to 1 degree in those 3 or 4 cells. I manually removed about a degree more in that area and rewrote the tune. Should I do another autotune and then a log tune and repeat untill the knocks are gone or very rare? I've also been trying a mixture of my hd stage 1 map and my fuelmoto map but that's another story.

 

I'm trying to change my AFR table to the 13.9 table listed about and try it out for more power. When I open my current map it lists AFR in Lambda and the above table is AFR Stoich. I looked and don't have a Stoich table on my tree?

 

If you look to the upper right of the AFR table you should see a little box followed by "Show air fuel ratio....." Just check this box to convert from lambda to stoich.