Power Vision Information Thread
#1991
I didn't know any non-touring bike had TBW. A friend with a '12 Dyna Switchback has cables.
#1992
You won't see most tables in WinPV while in the Basic User Level, including Closed-Loop Bias. Go to Setup > Options and change your User Level to "Pro".
#1993
Do you mean the Closed-Loop Bias table? If so, you'll see it only if you have a cable-throttle bike ('07 and earlier) or one of a very few '08 TBW calibrations. Mine is under "Fuel > Closed Loop".
Some of the confusion is present because Harley is constantly changing their calibrations, so we can't blame the PV for at least some of the arcane rules and configurations that we see.
Some of the confusion is present because Harley is constantly changing their calibrations, so we can't blame the PV for at least some of the arcane rules and configurations that we see.
#1994
Lot's of conversations going on. Wanted to give a post tuning update. Set-up is 2011 RKC 103 w/ FM 2-1-2, Jackpots, SE AC, and SE 204 cams. Road today about 40 miles in 86 deg. heat. Scoot ran great, no decel popping, very strong throughout the RPM range. However, I noticed two things, one of which concerns me. First, I noticed that my idle MAP hovered around 40ish. My understanding is that at idle, the bikes idle MAP should be around 30ish. Don't know if this is an issue or not.
Second, bike ran very hot, at least relative to history and expectations. I got caught is a couple of slow-downs around traffic lights on my way into the country, and the ET quickly rose to 280, and even after running for a while at 55-60 mph, temp never dropped below 266. In fact, slowing down to 40 mph for speed zones would send the ET right back up to about 275. Yes, it was a hot day here, but this seems to be too hot ET. I have one of those fork mounted air foils which I just put on, so this may have something to do with it. I am going to remove this and see if it helps, but I would appreciate any feedback on the 2 issues anyone can offer, especially the excessive ET.
By "air foil" do you mean the type that mounts to the outside of the forks (58121-85B)? If so I don't know if they adversely affect cooling, but I had them on my old RK Evo and oil temps almost never exceeded 180° even in summer traffic. I have lowers on the '07 SG that are supposed to help a bit, and I did notice a small change after installing them.
Last edited by iclick; 03-21-2012 at 08:36 PM.
#1995
Thanks, Iclick. Yes the 2011 RKC comes stock w/ HD oil cooler. Before I put the cams in, it would run ET around 240-250. I'm more worried about ET (CHT) than oil temps. I don't get caught in traffic much at all, but what really surprised me was the temp going from 266 to 275 when I slowed from about 55 mph to 40 mph for about a minute. That just didn't make sense. When the ET was hot (over 270) I did notice front and rear knock retard kicked in on roll on from 55 mph to 60 mph up small hills, but no KR when ET was cooler. Engine seems to be running strong otherwise, but this heat thing worries me. I have the air foil that mounts under the triple tree. I understand HD recommends taking it off during hot weather, which doesn't make sense to me either, but maybe there is something to it. More opinions/ideas welcome.
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#1997
Thanks, Iclick. Yes the 2011 RKC comes stock w/ HD oil cooler. Before I put the cams in, it would run ET around 240-250. I'm more worried about ET (CHT) than oil temps. I don't get caught in traffic much at all, but what really surprised me was the temp going from 266 to 275 when I slowed from about 55 mph to 40 mph for about a minute. That just didn't make sense. When the ET was hot (over 270) I did notice front and rear knock retard kicked in on roll on from 55 mph to 60 mph up small hills, but no KR when ET was cooler. Engine seems to be running strong otherwise, but this heat thing worries me. I have the air foil that mounts under the triple tree. I understand HD recommends taking it off during hot weather, which doesn't make sense to me either, but maybe there is something to it. More opinions/ideas welcome.
I just noticed that you have a 103 and my understanding is that they run hotter than the 96, quite a bit according to some reports, which may be why they install oil coolers as standard equipment on these. Maybe some other 103 owners can report the ETs they're running. A friend who has a Stage II (103/255) Ultra runs fairly sane oil temps, never higher than 230° so far since installing his OTG, but he has no way to monitor ET on his bike.
The 255 cams are supposed to run hotter than most performance grinds, I presume because of the early intake close of 25°, but I don't see any meaningful increases since installing them three years ago.
I would get a grip on the detonation you're seeing in your logs, although if you don't hear it I wouldn't think it would be enough to affect cooling since the KR function is dealing with it. Uncontrolled detonation can cause overheating, though, as well as produce more dire effects.
#1998
Thanks again, Iclick. The pinging I mentioned was intermittent and only accelerating up a hill where load goes up. Flat ground never pinged, no matter how hot. I have heard that the SE 204 can be difficult to tune, but don't know why. I will watch KR more closely next time. Won't get a chance to do another ride until Sunday. Will report back.
TedMan
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#1999
Sometimes adding a little cranking fuel at that temp will help.
Last edited by Lonewolf176; 03-21-2012 at 10:13 PM.
#2000
I got caught is a couple of slow-downs around traffic lights on my way into the country, and the ET quickly rose to 280, and even after running for a while at 55-60 mph, temp never dropped below 266. In fact, slowing down to 40 mph for speed zones would send the ET right back up to about 275. I am going to remove this and see if it helps, but I would appreciate any feedback on the 2 issues anyone can offer, especially the excessive ET. Thanks,