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Originally Posted by Buckinfitch
How do you like the PV? is it somewhat user friendly?,
I just sent my PCV to Fuel Moto to trade for the PV upgrade, he'll be sending thePV back premapped per my mods, although I think the Data Logging is cool, does the PV unit make suggested maps after data log reviews? for tweaking etc.?

Dan,
a.k.a. Buck

Dan, I love the PV and can't see any reason to move to anything else at this point. On the surface it is very user friendly due to the touch screen interface. HOwever, it is also very powerful considering all the ECM tables it can change. The map you get from FM will be a good starting point, but even with your mods every bike is a bit different, and your riding conditions will be different than a dyno. The PV doesn't suggest maps with the data logging. You have VE tables, basically a map of how the engine breathes. When you make logging runs it logs actual VE under real conditions vs the factory table, or the table contained in the map FM will send you. You then incorporate those real world numbers and adjust the VE table and flash the ECM with the updated map. Then you do it again and again until the changes are minimal. Tuning this way gives the best result with how and where you ride vs a controlled dyno room. Then in the future if you make changes to the bike, you can log tune again to accommodate for the new airflow characteristics due to the new parts. You can tune with the HD O2 sensors, but only a very small part of the total map since they only work in a narrow range. To better tune the map, get the DJ auto tune setup with WB O2 sensors. Then when done with tuning, take them out and put in plugs. You'll set up the tune to be open loop and will only use O2 sensors for tuning. Of course, you can always just run with the map FM gives you, but you're not really using the PV to even half of it's potential.
-Bill

 

OK, considering your post, and being in the Detroit area, you are now assigned the task of helping me with this thing.

 

That was my response to Buck's inquiry in a PM. I have learned everything from this thread. The first thing I did was read the whole thing. There are some links to external documents in here that also give guidance. I just followed those and asked some questions along the way. Coming from the PCV world it was a bit of a curve to grok VE tables and such, but once you understand the process of tuning is easy and repetitive. There are more advanced things you can do based on how you are running (open vs. closed loop) with bias tables and such, but I haven't gone there and don't plan too. I will be running in open loop anyway with a set AFR table now that my VE tables are basically stable. I never had an issue with spark knock, so I didn't make any changes to the advance tables.

There are experts on this thread that know a LOT more than I do. Just post your questions.

 

sure, let's see...what's this button do? I'm near I-94 & Telegraph area.

I need to get here...
but once you understand the process of tuning is easy and repetitive.

"There are more advanced things you can do based on how you are running (open vs. closed loop) with bias tables and such", but I haven't gone there and don't plan too.

Me neither, but if I was running the ¼ mile I would, but I do plan on and am learning up on this stuff
by reading and asking here on this great forum from folks like you.

 

i have sent jamie a few emails regarding help and looking at my Ve tables about 3 weeks ago and still no reply. I did get an email shot back saying there is a high volume of emails and would reply when he can...is anyone else having same issue..

 

They are a very busy group but if they haven't responded to your emails, you should call them. They may not have received the emails for some reason. They are busy but they ALWAYS respond.

 

From their web site: "The best way to contact us is by phone Toll Free Sales 877-729-4754 or Tech/Support 920-423-3309
Our phone lines are active from 9:00 a.m. to 5:00 p.m. central time. During the peak season our phone lines can be extremely busy at times, if you get our automated message stating "all tech and sales lines are currently busy" please try back shortly. We have 6 phone lines and you WILL get a live person from our staff that can answer any questions you have or take your order. It is this personalized, straight forward approach that allows us to provide a level of service you will not find elsewhere. Customers outside of the USA can contact us at 920-423-3309"

http://fuelmotousa.com/contact.htm

 

I just got my Power Vision about 2 hours ago. After talking with Brian at Fuelmoto, and him telling me that Vance and Hines Dresser Duals and Rinehart 4" slip-ons are a very common set up for them.....I'm hoping that all I have to do is flash and go!

 

keep trying, don't wait until it starts warming up in these parts, I have a Woods tw555 cam install/dynotune date at the end of May, Jamie told me to book now as they can get 3-6 weeks backed up once the good weather gets here and the bikes come out, for once I'll be a backer upper instead of a sorry, backed up.

Fuel Moto does have remote support once you get in contact where you hook up via the USB cable and a laptop and they take a look and trouble shoot/adjust, it's pretty cool, I've had the techs at Dynojet remote linked to my bike for adjustments when I was having starting issues with the piggybacked PCV.

 

Quick question.... Now that I have created a new map based on changes made after 3 data log runs, when I do more data log runs and want to make further changes do I need to make a new value file based on the second map? Or does that original value file work for all future changes?