Power Vision Information Thread
#1401
10-05-2011, 08:07 AM
Road Warrior
I went through a steep learning curve with this tuner in bringing some life into my 11 Tri Glide. Only did it with allot of help from JD here on the forum.
I had never tried nor had a remote idea what the ECM and all did to make a bike run. Still only have a very basic idea how it all works.
I am getting more comfortable now with running logs and changing the air portion. With JDs help and 6 logs, we got it right for my bike.
I had only de-catted the head pipe and put an air cleaner on and kept the stock mufflers. Running the loaded tune that came in tuner, bike ran better than in stock form but still felt it was restricted. I had ran several logs myself but I think my changes hurt more than helped. Now with the changes made correctly, I feel bike has more life in it, seems to take off from a dead stop allot better and crisper when I accelerate.
I feel the instructions supplied are way lacking for someone like me. But thanks to JD and the forums, I was able to get through it.
Feel good about the purchase and now feel confident that any further changes I make to my bike, I will be able to change tune to match.
If I can be taught to do this, feel anyone can.
Thanks all for information.
Dennis
I had never tried nor had a remote idea what the ECM and all did to make a bike run. Still only have a very basic idea how it all works.
I am getting more comfortable now with running logs and changing the air portion. With JDs help and 6 logs, we got it right for my bike.
I had only de-catted the head pipe and put an air cleaner on and kept the stock mufflers. Running the loaded tune that came in tuner, bike ran better than in stock form but still felt it was restricted. I had ran several logs myself but I think my changes hurt more than helped. Now with the changes made correctly, I feel bike has more life in it, seems to take off from a dead stop allot better and crisper when I accelerate.
I feel the instructions supplied are way lacking for someone like me. But thanks to JD and the forums, I was able to get through it.
Feel good about the purchase and now feel confident that any further changes I make to my bike, I will be able to change tune to match.
If I can be taught to do this, feel anyone can.
Thanks all for information.
Dennis
#1402
10-05-2011, 02:37 PM
Gawd! What a depressing thought! It is just now getting out of the 90's here in S. LA and the best riding of the year happens in Oct.-Dec., then again in Mar.-May. Dennis knows what I mean, as he's on about the same latitude.
As for my tune, my bike is running as well as I believe it can possibly run and I haven't made any tuning runs in a month or more. I monitor Lambda with the AT-100 and it is right where it should be, so unless something changes in the ensuing months I will run it in open-loop and likely make only minor adjustments.
As for my tune, my bike is running as well as I believe it can possibly run and I haven't made any tuning runs in a month or more. I monitor Lambda with the AT-100 and it is right where it should be, so unless something changes in the ensuing months I will run it in open-loop and likely make only minor adjustments.
Last edited by iclick; 10-05-2011 at 02:41 PM.
#1403
10-05-2011, 03:03 PM
Have not noticed this discussed but could have missed it. I see the setting in PV software for ethanol content on the AFR screen. Most fuel available here in TN is E10 fuel but occasionally find a Pure station without ethanol. Bike seems to run a bit better and better MPG with the ethanol free. How does this changing back and forth effect PV settings and are any adjustments suggested to deal with this. I'm running a late model TBW touring bike with a stage 1 and PV installed.
#1404
10-05-2011, 04:02 PM
#1405
10-05-2011, 07:59 PM
Road Master
Have not noticed this discussed but could have missed it. I see the setting in PV software for ethanol content on the AFR screen. Most fuel available here in TN is E10 fuel but occasionally find a Pure station without ethanol. Bike seems to run a bit better and better MPG with the ethanol free. How does this changing back and forth effect PV settings and are any adjustments suggested to deal with this. I'm running a late model TBW touring bike with a stage 1 and PV installed.
The settings you see in the AFR window are just "display" settings. It only changes how the values appear in your tables. Same goes when switching from "Lambda" view to "AFR" view. It doesn't change your fuel mixture at all.
But as far as setting up separate maps for different fuels, it might be a good idea. I've never had the misfortune of putting low octane fuel in my bike, but if I were running out, and that's all they had, it might be nice to have another map with less timing (for instance) so as not to be pinging down the road. And now with all the ethanol options, I think your idea makes sense.
#1406
10-06-2011, 09:07 AM
Road Warrior
Have not noticed this discussed but could have missed it. I see the setting in PV software for ethanol content on the AFR screen. Most fuel available here in TN is E10 fuel but occasionally find a Pure station without ethanol. Bike seems to run a bit better and better MPG with the ethanol free. How does this changing back and forth effect PV settings and are any adjustments suggested to deal with this. I'm running a late model TBW touring bike with a stage 1 and PV installed.
#1407
10-06-2011, 09:10 AM
Carter,
The settings you see in the AFR window are just "display" settings. It only changes how the values appear in your tables. Same goes when switching from "Lambda" view to "AFR" view. It doesn't change your fuel mixture at all.
But as far as setting up separate maps for different fuels, it might be a good idea. I've never had the misfortune of putting low octane fuel in my bike, but if I were running out, and that's all they had, it might be nice to have another map with less timing (for instance) so as not to be pinging down the road. And now with all the ethanol options, I think your idea makes sense.
The settings you see in the AFR window are just "display" settings. It only changes how the values appear in your tables. Same goes when switching from "Lambda" view to "AFR" view. It doesn't change your fuel mixture at all.
But as far as setting up separate maps for different fuels, it might be a good idea. I've never had the misfortune of putting low octane fuel in my bike, but if I were running out, and that's all they had, it might be nice to have another map with less timing (for instance) so as not to be pinging down the road. And now with all the ethanol options, I think your idea makes sense.
I then have a map that started with the Power map but was put into closed loop below 3000rpms (14.4AFR). I then tuned this new map with the PV. This new map runs excellent with sharp throttle response and absolutely no stumbles. I ran the datalogger and tuner about 7-8 times to get the new map. Its clearly not as "powerful" off the line or below 3000rpms as a fair amount of VE was reduced to align to the higher AFRs but the advantage is that a tank of fuel now gets almost 300 miles whereas with the Power map I get closer to 230-240 miles. Quite a difference in my opinion. Not surprisingly I call this map "Economy" and I generally use on longer trips.
What I would like to do next is use the PV to further refine the Power and 89 maps with WB sensors, however there still aren't any yet for the 12mm bungs that come on the newer bikes.
Last edited by Heatwave; 10-06-2011 at 10:39 AM.
#1408
10-06-2011, 11:12 AM
Have not noticed this discussed but could have missed it. I see the setting in PV software for ethanol content on the AFR screen. Most fuel available here in TN is E10 fuel but occasionally find a Pure station without ethanol. Bike seems to run a bit better and better MPG with the ethanol free. How does this changing back and forth effect PV settings and are any adjustments suggested to deal with this. I'm running a late model TBW touring bike with a stage 1 and PV installed.
Last edited by iclick; 10-06-2011 at 11:19 AM.
#1409
10-06-2011, 11:21 AM
I have a similar situation here in SC. I tuned my bike with the E10 fuel but try to run pure gas when I can. The E10 runs well but when I switch to gas without ethanol, I get a little better gas mileage and the bike continues to perform well. Suggest tuning with the E10 and you should not have a problem.
#1410
10-06-2011, 11:24 AM
I think DJ is working on an AT-100 kit with 12mm WB sensors, but I don't know the timetable for release. Maybe Jamie will pipe in with a report.