SEPro/SEStreet Tuner Information Thread
#1451
07-17-2012 | 05:43 AM
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#1454
07-20-2012 | 08:11 PM
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From: Earth
Ive been reading this thread for several days (from the first post which was a really long time ago) Id appreciate it if in the meantime before I get to the end, if people would restrain themselves from making post's where the point of the post is "Im waiting for parts" or "Im doing data runs" or any other post that does nothing useful except filling us in on your schedule for tomorrow or the night or next week lmao.
Theres some good stuff in here (so far) but 35% so far Ive read is "what map should I use?" 35% is letting us know your schedules and plans for the future, and 20% is talking about decel pop, 5% of people who cant even load the software, 1% of one off's, which leaves about 4% of useful meaningful info LoL. Im kind of kidding but it really is a lot of posts that I just have to skip over in here
(More to skip then to read)
Theres some good stuff in here (so far) but 35% so far Ive read is "what map should I use?" 35% is letting us know your schedules and plans for the future, and 20% is talking about decel pop, 5% of people who cant even load the software, 1% of one off's, which leaves about 4% of useful meaningful info LoL. Im kind of kidding but it really is a lot of posts that I just have to skip over in here
(More to skip then to read)
#1455
07-21-2012 | 07:58 AM
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#1456
07-21-2012 | 11:29 AM
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Wow finally here. 1455 posts read. A couple of things I learned (from here and elsewhere that might be helpful to someone).
1. Some people shoudn't be tuning their bikes LoL (Really)
2. Everyone seems to be so preoccupied with "long" data runs. That's the wrong approach. The right/best way is several short runs and make sure to make all the changes to your ecm in between each run. (Your O2 sensor is a narrow band sensor.)
3. Get your VE table right before you do anything else. Sure you can get your bike running a little better quickly by tweaking your AFR, but if you're smart tuning.. your AFR is set to closed loop anyways, so all you're doing is wasting time. You're going to need to re-tweak the AFR table after the VE table is set anyways.
4. If you have some crazy assed rediculious setup and have changed every part in your motor, for shts sake... get the thing to a dyno. If you wanna tweak it yourself, then fine.. but get the bike to someone that has some experience to get it at least close 1st. (Maybe not do an entire "tune", but at least get your VE table right/close for you)
mechanicalman, if you're still lurking around here.. You should load a base map from the software into your ecm. Do some data runs and adj your VE table as I described above. Stop trying to tweak your son's map. Just changing the air cleaner "cover" can make a big change in your VE table.
Thanks for the info guys. I might have a question or 2 after I do some more tweaking on my bike (but honestly I doubt it because I've been turning wrenches for about 30 yrs. I just didn't understand how this stuff worked at 1st, but now I think I pretty much have it. Until now I've just been doing carb's and electric vehicles) ..but maybe I'll lurk around a bit. (It's really not that complicated)
Peace
Thanks again! Especially to some of the (percieved)tech's that have chimed in.
1. Some people shoudn't be tuning their bikes LoL (Really)
2. Everyone seems to be so preoccupied with "long" data runs. That's the wrong approach. The right/best way is several short runs and make sure to make all the changes to your ecm in between each run. (Your O2 sensor is a narrow band sensor.)
3. Get your VE table right before you do anything else. Sure you can get your bike running a little better quickly by tweaking your AFR, but if you're smart tuning.. your AFR is set to closed loop anyways, so all you're doing is wasting time. You're going to need to re-tweak the AFR table after the VE table is set anyways.
4. If you have some crazy assed rediculious setup and have changed every part in your motor, for shts sake... get the thing to a dyno. If you wanna tweak it yourself, then fine.. but get the bike to someone that has some experience to get it at least close 1st. (Maybe not do an entire "tune", but at least get your VE table right/close for you)
mechanicalman, if you're still lurking around here.. You should load a base map from the software into your ecm. Do some data runs and adj your VE table as I described above. Stop trying to tweak your son's map. Just changing the air cleaner "cover" can make a big change in your VE table.
Thanks for the info guys. I might have a question or 2 after I do some more tweaking on my bike (but honestly I doubt it because I've been turning wrenches for about 30 yrs. I just didn't understand how this stuff worked at 1st, but now I think I pretty much have it. Until now I've just been doing carb's and electric vehicles) ..but maybe I'll lurk around a bit. (It's really not that complicated)
Peace
Thanks again! Especially to some of the (percieved)tech's that have chimed in.
#1457
07-21-2012 | 11:38 AM
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From: Tampere, Finland
Code:
Knock retard Front
0|__ 15____|__ 20____|__ 30____|__ 40____|__ 50____|__ 60____|__ 70____|__ 80____|__ 90____|__100____| 0
750|_________|_________|_________|________3|_________|_________|_________|_________|_________|_________| 750
1000|_________|_________|________*|________*|________2|_________|________3|_________|_________|________1|1000
1250|_________|________1|________*|________*|________3|________3|_________|_________|_________|_________|1250
1500|_________|________.|________+|________:|________3|_________|_________|_________|________1|_________|1500
1750|________2|________*|________*|________*|________8|________8|________3|_________|________1|_________|1750
2000|________*|________*|________*|________*|________.|________.|________3|_________|_________|_________|2000
2250|________*|________*|09_4_ 0%*|________*|________*|________.|________3|_________|________1|_________|2250
2500|________*|________*|________*|________*|________+|________.|15_2_10%.|________2|10_8_80%5|________1|2500
2750|________:|________+|________*|________*|16_6_ 1%*|17_8_15%*|17_8_44%.|14_8_60%5|02_8_33%3|05_8_75%4|2750
3000|________4|________6|________.|________:|________.|08_8_ 7%.|18_8_36%.|08_2_20%5|________7|05_8_43%7|3000
3500|________4|________3|________4|________2|________5|18_2_33%3|16_3_14%7|________3|09_3_25%4|05_5_50%2|3500
4000|________3|________1|_________|________1|________2|_________|________1|________3|_________|________2|4000
4500|_________|________2|________1|_________|_________|________2|_________|_________|_________|________3|4500
5000|_________|_________|_________|_________|_________|_________|_________|_________|_________|_________|5000
5500|_________|_________|_________|_________|_________|_________|_________|_________|_________|_________|5500
6000|_________|_________|_________|_________|_________|_________|_________|_________|_________|_________|6000
6500|_________|_________|_________|_________|_________|_________|_________|_________|_________|_________|6500
7000|_________|_________|_________|_________|_________|_________|_________|_________|_________|_________|7000
Knock retard Rear
0|__ 15____|__ 20____|__ 30____|__ 40____|__ 50____|__ 60____|__ 70____|__ 80____|__ 90____|__100____| 0
750|_________|_________|_________|________3|_________|_________|_________|_________|_________|_________| 750
1000|_________|_________|________*|________*|________2|_________|________3|_________|_________|________1|1000
1250|_________|________1|________*|________*|________3|________3|_________|_________|_________|_________|1250
1500|_________|________.|________+|________:|________3|_________|_________|_________|________1|_________|1500
1750|________2|________*|________*|________*|________8|________8|________3|_________|________1|_________|1750
2000|________*|________*|________*|________*|________.|________.|________3|_________|_________|_________|2000
2250|________*|________*|________*|________*|________*|________.|________3|_________|________1|_________|2250
2500|________*|________*|________*|________*|________+|________.|________.|________2|________5|________1|2500
2750|________:|________+|________*|________*|________*|________*|________.|________5|________3|________4|2750
3000|________4|________6|________.|________:|________.|________.|________.|________5|________7|________7|3000
3500|________4|________3|________4|________2|________5|________3|________7|________3|________4|________2|3500
4000|________3|________1|_________|________1|________2|_________|________1|________3|_________|________2|4000
4500|_________|________2|________1|_________|_________|________2|_________|_________|_________|________3|4500
5000|_________|_________|_________|_________|_________|_________|_________|_________|_________|_________|5000
5500|_________|_________|_________|_________|_________|_________|_________|_________|_________|_________|5500
6000|_________|_________|_________|_________|_________|_________|_________|_________|_________|_________|6000
6500|_________|_________|_________|_________|_________|_________|_________|_________|_________|_________|6500
7000|_________|_________|_________|_________|_________|_________|_________|_________|_________|_________|7000
#1458
07-22-2012 | 01:44 PM
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I have a 2012 Street glide trying to figure out which map to use (Super tuner pro). I have SE A/C with race exhaust but the only maps that are close is 044AAO003 but that one does not have the OE pistons it says its for Flattop pistons. Can anyone point me in the right direction? beside the air cleaner and pipes the bike is stock. will the map above work? thanks to all
#1459
07-22-2012 | 11:48 PM
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I had no problem finding the knock retard from the SEPST graphs but it was just too tedious to analyze the rpm/tps combo. Typically I would have a few half an hour recording sessions with, say, 10 knock retard blips each, front or rear or both. The challenge was to see an overview of where in the spark map they happen and if they happen always at certain rpm/tps or only at random. The program gives me a "spark map" like map telling how many percent of the hits to a given cell fired a retard event and what the spark value should be with options in which frames to look into around the retard event and how aggressive the retard is compared to optimal spark value:
Hope this clarifies
Hope this clarifies
#1460
07-23-2012 | 11:38 AM
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From: Green Bay, WI
I have a 2012 Street glide trying to figure out which map to use (Super tuner pro). I have SE A/C with race exhaust but the only maps that are close is 044AAO003 but that one does not have the OE pistons it says its for Flattop pistons. Can anyone point me in the right direction? beside the air cleaner and pipes the bike is stock. will the map above work? thanks to all