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#4641
01-07-2014, 03:52 PM
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"this guy" is having a blast riding his Road Glide. Some of the recorded data is showing some spark retard kicking in. So I asked what might be causing it, and the responses I get is my dyno tuner phucked it all up.
I think my VE tables are fine. My base map was a tts MAP, but my Tuner guy took some shortcuts on the timing maps. But I'm to start all over instead of trying to work with my timing tables.
It's a wonder my bike starts or runs at all with the screwed up map.
I'm not going to trash my current map, but I will try to reduce the frequency of the automatic spark knock retard --which is the only concern I have with my map.
This reminds me of an old joke where the punch line is something like this:
" you must work for Microsoft tech support"
"yes, how did you know?"
"your answer was both accurate and useless"
I think my VE tables are fine. My base map was a tts MAP, but my Tuner guy took some shortcuts on the timing maps. But I'm to start all over instead of trying to work with my timing tables.
It's a wonder my bike starts or runs at all with the screwed up map.
I'm not going to trash my current map, but I will try to reduce the frequency of the automatic spark knock retard --which is the only concern I have with my map.
This reminds me of an old joke where the punch line is something like this:
" you must work for Microsoft tech support"
"yes, how did you know?"
"your answer was both accurate and useless"
Then check for knock.
#4642
01-07-2014, 05:00 PM
"this guy" is having a blast riding his Road Glide. Some of the recorded data is showing some spark retard kicking in. So I asked what might be causing it, and the responses I get is my dyno tuner phucked it all up.
I think my VE tables are fine. My base map was a tts MAP, but my Tuner guy took some shortcuts on the timing maps. But I'm to start all over instead of trying to work with my timing tables.
It's a wonder my bike starts or runs at all with the screwed up map.
I'm not going to trash my current map, but I will try to reduce the frequency of the automatic spark knock retard --which is the only concern I have with my map.
This reminds me of an old joke where the punch line is something like this:
" you must work for Microsoft tech support"
"yes, how did you know?"
"your answer was both accurate and useless"
I think my VE tables are fine. My base map was a tts MAP, but my Tuner guy took some shortcuts on the timing maps. But I'm to start all over instead of trying to work with my timing tables.
It's a wonder my bike starts or runs at all with the screwed up map.
I'm not going to trash my current map, but I will try to reduce the frequency of the automatic spark knock retard --which is the only concern I have with my map.
This reminds me of an old joke where the punch line is something like this:
" you must work for Microsoft tech support"
"yes, how did you know?"
"your answer was both accurate and useless"
What we're trying to tell you sir is simply this; What happens on a Dyno can rarely, if ever, be duplicated with street tuning. You cannot duplicate the loads on the street that you can achieve on a Dyno, period. You have 1 tool (TTS) and many variables to work with. Your Dyno Tuner tuned your bike with MANY tools and the same many variables. There is a BIG difference in tuning methodologies but they both end in the same result or pretty damn close to it. Your Dyno Tuner didn't ***** anything up.
If you want to use the map that your tuner did for you, by all means do so as no one is stopping you but again I ask you to keep in mind the simple fact that aside from 2 or 3 Dyno guys that pop in and out of here every once in a while to help out their fellow brothers trying to "self-tune", everyone else in here helping are versed on the street tuning side and do not have access to or use a Dyno.
In the end, my suggestion is take the bike back to your tuner, show him/her where the pings are occurring and let him/her take care of it for you. If it's been doing it since the tune was done then it should be under some sort of warranty providing you haven't changed any components of your build since the tune.
#4643
01-07-2014, 11:02 PM
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Hi UN
I did what you said and dropped the timing and this is a new data run what do you think keep taking timing away or richen up the main Table ?
https://www.dropbox.com/s/9qnkxfq3j7...VTUNES-003.MT8
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ayzdtcv4byoe3yy/2-r02.dm3
https://www.dropbox.com/s/e5vz7e5jlz2rccd/3-r03.dm3
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ayzdtcv4byoe3yy/2-r02.dm3
I did what you said and dropped the timing and this is a new data run what do you think keep taking timing away or richen up the main Table ?
https://www.dropbox.com/s/9qnkxfq3j7...VTUNES-003.MT8
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ayzdtcv4byoe3yy/2-r02.dm3
https://www.dropbox.com/s/e5vz7e5jlz2rccd/3-r03.dm3
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ayzdtcv4byoe3yy/2-r02.dm3
#4644
01-08-2014, 01:33 PM
kiwi I have to say.. I'm a little confused about a couple of things being changed and I don't know why. Lambda tables are being leaned out, timing tables look to be manually finessed.
This map, I changed lambda back to original and I changed timing tables back to original.
What we need you to do now is drop this in your bike, set your flight recorder up for knock retard recording, and IN A SAFE PLACE, give me 2 or 3 WOT runs. Then come back and post the dm3 and compiled MT8 file for us to look at please.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/0ivsdvgvk3...r54-UN-001.MT8
This map, I changed lambda back to original and I changed timing tables back to original.
What we need you to do now is drop this in your bike, set your flight recorder up for knock retard recording, and IN A SAFE PLACE, give me 2 or 3 WOT runs. Then come back and post the dm3 and compiled MT8 file for us to look at please.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/0ivsdvgvk3...r54-UN-001.MT8
#4645
01-14-2014, 02:04 PM
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Ok UN I did exactly as you wanted and got heaps of ping back but I think this was a good data run so I hope you can work it out.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/4oesrdm30c...%20Run-r01.dm3
Thanks Mate this is doing my head in I never had this happen with the other bike
https://www.dropbox.com/s/4oesrdm30c...%20Run-r01.dm3
Thanks Mate this is doing my head in I never had this happen with the other bike
#4646
01-14-2014, 02:40 PM
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Ok UN I did exactly as you wanted and got heaps of ping back but I think this was a good data run so I hope you can work it out.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/4oesrdm30c...%20Run-r01.dm3
Thanks Mate this is doing my head in I never had this happen with the other bike
https://www.dropbox.com/s/4oesrdm30c...%20Run-r01.dm3
Thanks Mate this is doing my head in I never had this happen with the other bike
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01-14-2014, 05:41 PM
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01-14-2014, 06:38 PM
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Hi Wiz
Here is the file that UN sent me
Stock plugs and leads UN
https://www.dropbox.com/s/n4lvzzoz77...r54-UN-001.MT8
Here is the file that UN sent me
Stock plugs and leads UN
https://www.dropbox.com/s/n4lvzzoz77...r54-UN-001.MT8
#4650
01-15-2014, 08:40 PM
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