Originally Posted by wurk_truk

250 cals are for 08-09 DBW. 009 cals are for 10-11 DBW. 044 cals are for 12 DBW.

250 cals are AFR based and use the larger 18mm O2s near the heads and use DBW (Drive By Wire)

009 and 044 cals are for DBW bikes that have the 02s down near the transmission. 009 is for bikes with metal stock Throttle body. 044s are more for the new style 2012 throttle bodies.

009 and 044 cals can be swapped around but issues can easily arise using a 44 cal on an older 009 bike. Do not use a 44 cal on a 2010 bike. Really shouldn't use an 009 cal on a 2012 bike either.

On an 2011 bike, I would try both a 009 AND a 44 cal and see which one starts and idles the best right out of the gate with NO v-tuning.

2. “Level 044” vs “Level 009” Calibrations. The paragraphs defining them are identical. No they are NOT! Go read them again.


And... you are NOT getting things as far as saved MTE files, etc. ANY file can be an MTE file... a stock one from MOCO. A 'download' from MOCO. a file installed by anybody using TTS... they are ALL MTE files.

An MTE file is NOT proprietary at all... it is simply a file that is already inside of the ECM. One simply can NOT read a TTS file or a stock file with TTS once it is inside of the ECM. Nothing more and nothing less. Has NOTHING to do with WHOSE file it is... its about it is already in there. You can NOT read a file by 'pulling' it out of the ECM. Can't be done.

The shop could have readily thrown a tune in there and you will NEVER know it. Simple as that.

Any GOOD shop will give a customer their TTS AND a thumb drive with the final calibration. Since yours did not, that shop sucks.

Also... quit being quite so obtuse. You SAY you can spin a wrench on a bike? The reason to SAY the piston diameter is most configurations can be had by different bores and strokes. TTS is telling you, by stating the piston size, what exact configuration it is.

Originally Posted by mtclassic

Steve Cole was the one who told me to use the dta044 on my 2011. He said i could use the 009 but that he himself had a 2011 and would use the dta044. I did try both and could not detect a difference prior to vtuning. neither ran as good as the factory stage 1 download prior to vtuning. I vtuned using the dta044 and it runs very sweet now.

. You should be able to hook up your lap top and get the ecm info and I think that will tell you what base cal you have downloaded.

Originally Posted by ronn39

Thanks guys. Very useful info from wurk_truk! I'll print that and attach it to the manual.

Wurk, I was being tongue-in-cheek about the "math." Yes, too obtuse.

The dyno guy at the dealership is no longer there, and from what I've learned, he never gave the tune data to any of the others he'd done. I'll press on with this; at my age I'm a slow learner. If I somehow manage to screw things up, Doc is only 25 miles away. Sure miss him and Steve being on here--what a bummer.

Again, really appreciate the info and your patience while I bumble through it. It's getting easier as I go along.

Originally Posted by masterblaster

Well, new bike new tune, will be coming back here for some help, got a 12 Ultra Limited, keeping it mellow this time, 777 cam, Pro Pipe, Zippers AC. Will do pipe and ac then V tune then in April do the cam then get actual dyno tune.

Originally Posted by wurk_truk

MB... those famous last words. You KNOW you have been bitten so I wish you luck.

I think you have picked a good starting point for your bike and am doing it the correct way. Too bad most won't listen about pipes like you (and 'us' do.).

At least... it is a fun addiction!!!!!

Keep us posted on your progress, my friend.